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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If the government threw him in jail, that would be violating freedom of speech. He exercised his first amendment right to freedom of speech; Mozilla exercised theirs to freedom of association.
    No, Mozilla did not. Mozilla is in gross violation of laws of employment (might want to read up on them). His religious views (and he can claim this) were expressed and thus asking him to resign or threatening that he would be fired would be cause of a law suit and Mozilla ponying up some money.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

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    No one is on a "Power Trip". More and more companies are diligently aligning themselves with pro equality views and are not go to tolerate an image that contradicts that.

    The last dregs of the workforce that thinks like he does have naturally left through attrition, another generation moves in. It is always that way, standing around and being an angry old throwback does nothing (except make that person look like an angry old crank)
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

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    Well, I don't do the fuzzy diversity stuff, I do the legal side and the laws and the compliance issues and such.

    But, if a company doesn't train, or make good faith efforts to outreach to all qualified applicants, then they are hurting themselves legally and financially.


    I am so thankful to work for an enormous company that does the right thing, and when we are audited by the feds, we pass with flying colors.
    thats the way it should be every company ive worked for has been like that. ALl companies have to do is obey the law
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, Mozilla did not. Mozilla is in gross violation of laws of employment (might want to read up on them). His religious views (and he can claim this) were expressed and thus asking him to resign or threatening that he would be fired would be cause of a law suit and Mozilla ponying up some money.
    Unless he was recompensated in a way he deemed satisfactory.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Freedom of speech protects you from imprisonment not societal backlash.
    Societal backlash? You mean bloggers who eat cheetos in their parent's basement. Wonder if the societal backlash is gonna go as far as uninstalling Java Script cause that's what he developed and coded for Netscape, then help found Mozilla foundation and the chief architect of Mozilla... oh that's right.. they just didn't want him as CEO but they have no problem using Java or Mozilla.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Unless he was recompensated in a way he deemed satisfactory.
    And that might be the case.. but this claim a company can fire you willy nilly for your political or religious beliefs is hog wash as claimed by many so far.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Societal backlash? You mean bloggers who eat cheetos in their parent's basement. Wonder if the societal backlash is gonna go as far as uninstalling Java Script cause that's what he developed and coded for Netscape, then help found Mozilla foundation and the chief architect of Mozilla... oh that's right.. they just didn't want him as CEO but they have no problem using Java or Mozilla.
    Oh, wow, Netscape. Man, that takes me back.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And that might be the case.. but this claim a company can fire you willy nilly for your political or religious beliefs is hog wash as claimed by many so far.

    But I agree with you. I do, however, think that the means of moving people along can vary. Not that that should in any way be interpreted as sympathy for Eich.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Without action, no one knows your beliefs.
    So just to understand your stance

    Donating to a political campaign, organization, or entity is reasonable grounds for firing to you?

    On a legal level, or on a personal "right and wrong" level?

    I will say, I don't see a large issue legally here.

    I do think this is a symptom of our continually crumbling society that's spiraling into a political black hole, where politics and causes infiltrate everything and becomes a pseudo war between each side with an "any means necessary attitude".

    Be it chick-fil-a firing an employee because they volunteer for a pro-choice group or Starbucks firing someone for being an NRA member, it just sits somewhat off for me for companies to devolve to the point of utilizing people's livelihoods as a weapon in a political battle. This one is a bit more complicated due to the person being a CEO, but it still sits off with me as a concept.

    At least Fiddy is forthright in his intent and description of what he wants to see happen.

    For years I've described "hyperpartisan" as someone who contorts every situation into one that is a political "us good vs them bad" situation. Well, taking a political donation to a relatively mainstream cause (like it or not, opposing gay marriage is hardly tantamount to something like deporting all Muslims or some other extreme notion) of an individual and using it as a means of boycotting a company (potentially damaging a fair number of innocents) in order to cause someone to lose their job screams of a society that is bordering on becoming rather hyperpartisan

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And that might be the case.. but this claim a company can fire you willy nilly for your political or religious beliefs is hog wash as claimed by many so far.
    no its not, many companies have conduct, exposure, publicity clause/contracts etc. Especial for high profile employees. SO its VERY possible to get fired for those things if the requirements are met.

    Currently there is ZERO evidence that Mozilla did anything illegal. ZERO.
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