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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Come on, be the sophisticated thinker you claim to be. These are post-hoc rationalizations/statements and this is standard for every organization. It usually involves the departing executive choosing to spend more time with his family. You know that to be true.

    If the board was standing with Eich then we would have seen all of the board members making statements of support while the crisis was brewing. They would not tolerate his leaving. They would attack the accusers for being unjust. That indicates support.

    What's going on now is a salvage operation to make Mozilla appear to be fair and the good guy and this even applies to the individual reputations of the board members.
    Maybe the question that you should really be asking is why you are so willing to accept the idea that Eich was forced out.

    He didn't just step down as CEO, he left the company entirely. Even the original people who criticized him within the company did not want to see him go.

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    It sounds like he left on the principle of his beliefs.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    He was forced to resign what difference is there. you either resign or we vote you out is the same choice. so yes in essence he was fired.
    it isn't a lie. forced to resign fired pretty much the same thing.
    Was this multi-year-ago donation the cause of said forcing (if indeed such occurred) or simply the finial straw? Or was it even a factor at all?

    I don't know the details, but there's a difference in my mind between "he was forced to resign due to a political donation years ago" (which would be bull****) and "he was forced to resign because he had pissed off nearly everyone in the company".

    If it wasn't a factor, then Mozilla's sense of timing really needs some work...
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, if you are at will, and you are a detractor to the business, then I understand. In this case, it was the left, the oh so tolerant left, being completely intolerant bigots and going out of their way, demanding a person be let go because of their perfectly legitimate beliefs. Mozilla made a knee jerk reaction, instead of doing the right thing. Hopefully, they will see a worse backlash for being cowards.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    You say the problem applies to everyone, and yet you're highlighting a bill that applies only to discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity. That fact seems to belie your intent.
    That is because the bill has to do with the specific topic but it does not need to stop in any particular place. Some states do have laws in place to protect all workers in private businesses to have freedom of political expression without fear of reprimand or loss of job as long as it isn't interfering with the job. Many states do not and people can lose their job for both on and off the job political expression and beliefs even if it has no interference with the job whatsoever.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Using your analogy:

    If I tell you your mother is a cocksucking whore, that's free speech.
    If I pay a band to compose a song about your mother being a cocksucking whore, that's ridiculous overkill but also free speech (I think?). And I didn't actually say anything to you personally.

    That's why I'm not seeing the disconnect between a political donation to promote a cause vs saying something to promote a cause.

    Different forms, same intent.
    no the INTENT is clearly different

    just feeling marriage is man/woman has ZERO intent
    donating money to try and stop others from having that right has an intent of denying others rights

    you just answered your own question
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

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    Good luck in all your future endeavors.
    i accept your concession
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no the INTENT is clearly different

    just feeling marriage is man/woman has ZERO intent
    donating money to try and stop others from having that right has an intent of denying others rights

    you just answered your own question
    I did not make that analogy.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    i accept your concession
    None was offered. Is your self-esteem really so tied up in this forum?
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Tyranny? You people are insane.

    Civil rights should not be left to the will of the masses.
    Do you feel the same way about the genuine right to keep and bear arms, as explicitly affirmed in the Constutution; as you do about the inaginary “right” to radically redefine the concept of marriage into something that is only a sick mockery of what marriage has always been held to be?
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no

    think
    feeling
    saying
    teaching your own
    preaching

    that gay marriage is wrong or being gay is wrong is not bigotry

    trying to deni them rights or treating them as leasers is bigotry

    theres a HUGE difference.

    there are lots of people that feel marriage is a man woman thing personally but they fully support equal rights because they respect peoples rights



    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1.)OK, I got ya, I think....So, people that disagree with the LGBT agenda are free to have those beliefs, as long as they don't speak them publicly, or donate anything to opposition of them, or else they open themselves to harassment, and attack to the point where they are forced to resign from their job...And this isn't fascism? I mean I get that people are passionate about this issue, but how is it that any squelching of LGBT voicing their agenda in the public square, ie protest, or donation, or what ever would be seen by advocates as a stomping on the free speech rights of the LGBT community, and would be met with ramped up vitriol, and cries of fascistic suppression. However, because it is aimed not AT the LGBT community, but rather at an individual that did little more than donate years ago to a cause on a ballot up for referendum by the people, and chose what is perceived by the passionate as "the wrong side", well, then he must be 'isolated, destroyed, and marginalized' in the purest form of Alinski style debasement.

    2.)How is it that the supporters of these memes cant see how it is that they are carrying out what they claim to be attacking? I just don't get it I suppose.
    1.)this isnt even close to anything i said. Please dont make up lies and try to seel them as mine
    you asked what makes one a "bigot"

    I answered

    now you are on some NEW rant about what people can do or freedoms which i never comment on. Nice strawman but its a HUGE failure.


    how did you even read my post and see the parts I highlighted above and then proceed to HONESTLY accuse me of saying they cant speck thier views publicly, holy cow could your post be more dishonest?

    now to answer your questions since you dont seem to understand rights

    free speech is for EVERYBODY, so people are free to say whatever they want and others are allowed to say things in return

    your meaningless hyperbolic opinion of "attacking and harassment" is meaningless unless you have proof of broken laws. To use your failed starwman others could EASILY argue the opposite that trying to deny rights is extremely harassing and attacking. BUT im not using that argument just point out the HUGE hypocrisy in your failed argument. If you dont like free speech thats your issue.

    maybe make a better argument next time with bigger more emotional words to describe free speech.

    are seriously implying that only the CEO has free speech? i hope not

    well number one of yours got easily destroyed and proven wrong. now number 2

    2.) more hypocrisy. Its free speech from both sides you simply dont like one side.

    also be more specific with what you are claiming is being supported.


    so now in your next post you can stick to the original question i answered and not deflect and try to move the goal posts or we can continue with this new path and explain why you only think free speech you agree with is ok.
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