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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    One of the things that has gone unmentioned in this thread so far is that objection to Eich among Mozilla's employee base was so severe that three board members quit after Eich's appointment as CEO.

    Three Mozilla board members resign after Eich's appointment as CEO: report - San Francisco Business Times

    One of them said:

    “Mozilla has always been a messy place, and misunderstood,” said John Lilly, a former chief executive and former board member of Mozilla. “People on the outside can’t decide if it’s the United Nations, or Apple, or a nongovernmental organization, or a soup kitchen. It’s a hybrid, mission-driven organization.”
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    “This is playing out as a fight over free speech and equal rights, but that oversimplifies it,” he said. ‘This is about how organizations will process individual rights and free speech, and how leadership helps them think through that.”
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/te...illa.html?_r=0

    And from the NYT story:

    Both Ms. Baker and Mr. Hoffman said that they tried to get Mr. Eich to remain in a senior position at Mozilla, but that he quit because he thought it would cause more harm to the company if he stayed. “He was the right person for all of the technical growth, but the other things steered into him hard,” Mr. Hoffman said. “He said, ‘My continuing is not good for me or the organization.’ ”
    He wasn't forced out.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/te...illa.html?_r=0
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    One of the things that has gone unmentioned in this thread so far is that objection to Eich among Mozilla's employee base was so severe that three board members quit after Eich's appointment as CEO.

    Three Mozilla board members resign after Eich's appointment as CEO: report - San Francisco Business Times

    One of them said:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/te...illa.html?_r=0

    And from the NYT story:



    He wasn't forced out.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/te...illa.html?_r=0
    Good find.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    One of the things that has gone unmentioned in this thread so far is that objection to Eich among Mozilla's employee base was so severe that three board members quit after Eich's appointment as CEO.

    Three Mozilla board members resign after Eich's appointment as CEO: report - San Francisco Business Times

    One of them said:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/te...illa.html?_r=0

    And from the NYT story:



    He wasn't forced out.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/te...illa.html?_r=0
    Those board members did not leave because of his stance on Prop 8. That is what the media is trying to portray.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Those board members did not leave because of his stance on Prop 8. That is what the media is trying to portray.
    The SFBT story says that.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In this particular instance it is the left who went after Eich.
    No, the left voiced their opinions. That is still allowed in this country.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    I wonder how many of the people who are lamenting Eich's departure at (what they claim was) the ruthless hands of the Gaystapo are the same people who cheerleaded the right-wing CEOs' not-so-veiled threats that voting for Obama might not be conducive to their continued employment.

    One of them here: The CEO Who Built Himself America's Largest House Just Threatened to Fire His Employees if Obama's Elected
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It most certainly does have something to do with his post, but whatever.

    While, as I stated before, I think this is definitely overkill, this is different than "forcing someone out" (and we don't know exactly how that went down) because they "don't agree with your opinion" (the issue being that he actively donated money to suppress homosexuals). It's slightly more nuanced than that.
    no it isn't he expressed an opinion.

    should you be fired for expressing an opinion that someone disagree's with?

    i say you shouldn't but according to you you should.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I wonder how many of the people who are lamenting Eich's departure at (what they claim was) the ruthless hands of the Gaystapo are the same people who cheerleaded the right-wing CEOs' not-so-veiled threats that voting for Obama might not be conducive to their continued employment.

    One of them here: The CEO Who Built Himself America's Largest House Just Threatened to Fire His Employees if Obama's Elected
    There was no threat tied to individual voting. Apples and oranges.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The facts are that ANYBODY can get fired for saying anything about politics in or outside work. This is a problem for EVERYONE. This is not an us vs. them issue or a gay rights groups are evil issue. Until people want to put down their partisan swords nothing will change. Just same sh*t different day.
    You say the problem applies to everyone, and yet you're highlighting a bill that applies only to discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity. That fact seems to belie your intent.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no it isn't he expressed an opinion.

    should you be fired for expressing an opinion that someone disagree's with?

    i say you shouldn't but according to you you should.
    He wasn't fired. Repeat: He wasn't fired. I do not know how many times I have to repeat that before people stop parroting that lie.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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