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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well do tell what would you call it?
    He resigned. Since he hasn't said why, insisting he was "forced out" (de facto firing) by the board is pure supposition.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) another illogical assumption, nope not important to me just an example of how free speech works for everyone. THey are a hate group.
    2.) so when you try to debate my stance your posts dont instantly fail, get destroyed and make no sense like they did.
    3.) depends on which part you want to talk about
    4.) wrong lol many people including YOU Mentioned rights
    5.) yes i understand your back pedal fine and my statement stands "you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but it doesnt matter to rights"
    It was never my intention to "debate" your "stance." Why would that interest me? If I mentioned rights in this discussion I'd appreciate it if you would cite that post.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    1.)It was never my intention to "debate" your "stance." Why would that interest me?
    2.) If I mentioned rights in this discussion I'd appreciate it if you would cite that post.
    1.) then i guess you should haven argued against things i never said and acted like i did. Typically when qouting somebody you are agreeing with them or disagreeing with them
    2.) another poster already pointed this out also and i have no interest in doing so.
    glad i could clear up your confusion for you
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    1.) 100% correct he does have that right
    2.) this is just your opinion and not fact
    Well, you would need to show that Eich pushed that particular opinion about while at work. I have seen no suggestion he did.

    3.) translation: disallow them free speech
    They absolutely have the right to think Eich is wrong. But as above-- nothing has been said that Eich was pushing that opinion on them.

    4.) 100% false you want to infringe on the employees free speech YOU JUST SAID SO ABOVE lol
    False. They can have whatever opinion they want. as can Eich.

    5.) yes employees and customers practiced their free speech, a right they have that you want to take away
    Two different subjects here:

    A. employees-- they sought to drive out somebody else. Because of that person's speech. Sorry-- that isn't exercising free speech

    B. Customers-- this would seem to be a no brainer-- Mozzilla has no right to do business with OKCupid (minus any contractual obligations which evidently did not exist). OKCupid could do business with whom it chooses.
    Except that we now know that bakers and photographers cannot refuse service at gay weddings should they have an opposition to it. The don't have free speech rights here. In light of this, the question has to be asked: Would OKCupid have had the free speech right to refuse to do business with Mozzilla because it objected to the CEO's opinion of gay marriage? Its no longer a clearcut "yes."

    6.) 100% false
    100% true. You are describing thuggery, not free speech.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    He resigned. Since he hasn't said why, insisting he was "forced out" (de facto firing) by the board is pure supposition.
    Really?After an all out attack as being described as a bigot and "filled with hatred" because he believes that marriage is a union of a man and a woman? He tried to hang on when the controversy hit. He said, "Look, my personal political views have nothing to do with the way I plan on running Mozilla." But the real bigots didn't see that as enough, they pushed him out. And for the record Eich was the one that invented the Java Script, something all of us rely on that use the Internet. And if they can do this to him, then who will be next? I'm sure as soon as California finishes publishing all the donors to Prop 8, anyone else they can make an example out of by painting them bigots and homaphobs will be next to fall under the current fascist way of things.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Free speech does not mean people can't hate you, it is not fascist to want to remove your CEO because he is homophobic. The CEO was harming the reputation of the company and employees disagreed with him.
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    The simple, undeniable fact is that the majority of Californians—at least of those who actually voted in these two elections—oppose the efforts on the part of the pervert-rights lobby to radically redefine and corrupt the concept of marriage. The vast majority of Californians agree with the side to which Mr. Eich gave his support. It is likely that the vast majority of Mozilla employees also support Eich's position in this matter.

    It is this company's absurd and completely unjustifiable act of blatant discrimination against Mr, Eich that has harmed this company's reputation.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    1.) 100% correct
    2.) meaningless to rights and free speech
    False. Mozzilla is business. Its not a college debate room.
    Eich's opinion had nothing to do with his job.

    3.) 100% false they cant shut him up they have no right to nor did they he is still free to say what he wants
    Of course they can. They drove him out of his job. Its called thuggery.

    4.) no need to apologize for being wrong it is free speech because what you are making up didnt happen

    Its exactly what happened. You seem to think free speech s a contact sport. It isn't. free speech is not driving Eich out of a job because of a disagreement that had nothing to do with the job. Free speech is those employees supporting laws, candidates ect wh support gay marriage.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Just as long as someone can perform their job - they should face no consequences for their political beliefs or affiliations. Individuals have the right to their own opinion weather if it is left or right.

    It just seems that progressives love to degrade anyone who doesn't share their politics and will do everything in their power to destroy them.

    Remember these are the same people who insist on "fairness" when they're nothing more than bullies and to some extent no different the the little ****s from "Lord Of The Flies."

    The amount of tolerance I have for their intolerance is mind boggling.
    Those on the wrong used to love to portray themselves of the champions of free speech, and to accuse those of us on the right of being against free speech. Back then, the “free speech” that was under controversy consisted of valueless, degrading expression, such as foul language, pornography, and promotion of harmful and degrading behavior, and such. That's what those on the wrong think needs to be protected as “free speech”.

    When it comes to genuine free speech—the expression of beliefs and opinions with which some may disagree—we now see that the wrong is most solidly opposed to it; and will stop at nothing to silence or retaliate against those who dare to express opinions which the wrong finds disagreeable.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The vast majority of Californians who voted in that election, voted in favor of Proposition 8. Eight years earlier, Proposition 22 passed, also by a vast majority.

    The simple, undeniable fact is that the majority of Californians—at least of those who actually voted in these two elections—oppose the efforts on the part of the pervert-rights lobby to radically redefine and corrupt the concept of marriage. The vast majority of Californians agree with the side to which Mr. Eich gave his support. It is likely that the vast majority of Mozilla employees also support Eich's position in this matter.

    It is this company's absurd and completely unjustifiable act of blatant discrimination against Mr, Eich that has harmed this company's reputation.
    Vast majority? Prop 8 passed with 52% support. That is not a "vast majority."

    The rest of your post is pure twaddle.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    1.)Well, you would need to show that Eich pushed that particular opinion about while at work. I have seen no suggestion he did.
    2.)They absolutely have the right to think Eich is wrong. But as above-- nothing has been said that Eich was pushing that opinion on them.
    3.)False. They can have whatever opinion they want. as can Eich.
    4.)Two different subjects here:A. employees-- they sought to drive out somebody else. Because of that person's speech. Sorry-- that isn't exercising free speech
    5.)B. Customers-- this would seem to be a no brainer-- Mozzilla has no right to do business with OKCupid (minus any contractual obligations which evidently did not exist). OKCupid could do business with whom it chooses.
    6.) Except that we now know that bakers and photographers cannot refuse service at gay weddings should they have an opposition to it.
    7.) The don't have free speech rights here. In light of this, the question has to be asked: Would OKCupid have had the free speech right to refuse to do business with Mozzilla because it objected to the CEO's opinion of gay marriage? Its no longer a clearcut "yes."



    100% true. You are describing thuggery, not free speech.
    1.) wrong YOU made the claim its not a businesses matter, they it shouldnt be talked about there that is your opinion
    2.) no one claimed he pushed it on them but the fact is he did try and
    3.) so now you take back what you said, you said keep it out the work place, they have ever right to discuss it there
    4.) see 4 now you are posting more lies you dont want them to say it at work you want to take their rights away you said it in post 1353
    5.) nope not two different subjects at all they have every single right to their speech no matter what your opinion of their speech is
    6.) wrong again all customers and employees have free speech
    7.) correct because this is ILLEGAL and BREAKS THE LAW and violates peoples RIGHTS
    8.) yes they do they just cant violate the rights as others as facts, law, rights and court cases show
    this is no new concept try to keep up
    9.) wrong again and facts prove you wrong, its free speech and your opinions dont affect that fact lol
    but you are free to call it thuggery if you wish but it is still free speech this fact will not change no matter how dishonest your posts are about it.

    if you disagree then simply FACTUALLY prove it

    prove they have no right to free speech and people cant boycott a company I cant wait to read this lol

    sorry free speech bothers you but we ALL have it not just the people YOU want to have it.
    facts win and your post fails again
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