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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

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    One of this column's various mandates is to keep track of people who get fired from their jobs solely for holding certain political beliefs. Firing a person because you don't like his or her politics runs contrary to just about everything this country stands for, but it is not against the law. My interest in this topic was stimulated a couple of years ago when I learned that my childhood friend Michael Italie, who sewed U.S. Navy jackets for Goodwill Industries in Miami, got fired for appearing on television as the mayoral candidate for the Socialist Workers Party, in which capacity he made some predictably provocative statements. Subsequently, I wrote about Bryan Keefer, who lost his job as a research assistant with the Service Employees International Union for writing an online column critical of the coinage, "Enron conservatives." In both of these examples, the extracurricular activities that caused offense were entirely unrelated to the fired person's job and were not performed, or even discussed, in the workplace.

    The same is true of Lynne Gobbell of Moulton, Ala., who on Sept. 9 was fired from her job at Enviromate, a company that makes housing insulation, for driving to work with a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker in the rear windshield of her Chevy Lumina. The person who did the firing was Phil Geddes, who owns the company and is an enthusiastic Bush supporter. (Although Gobbell hasn't done any proselytizing for Kerry at Enviromate, Geddes distributed a flyer to all Enviromate employees explaining why they should vote for Bush.) The insubordinate bumper sticker.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You seem very interested in my view of your "stance." Sorry, but I have not been able to make out your stance except for your defense of free speech. To that the only possible response is: so what? Everyone is in favor of free speech. And no one on any side did anything illegal. The issue is decency. A man took private action to support a cause in which he believed and as a result was hounded out of his livelihood. I agree with Andrew Sullivan. Those who did this are no better than the old gay bashers of the religious right.
    BOOM!

    and there you have it and this is why your posts failed so quickly. You were trying to argue things that i never said and you just admitted you dont even know my stance. thanks for proving me right

    you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but thats the real thing that doesnt matter.

    nothing illegal happened and everybody practiced their rights

    west boro isnt decent IMO but i would NEVER infringe on their rights
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    1.)Of course the supporters of gay marriage have free speech. As does Eich.
    2.)However, Eich did not bring his opinion on the subject into the workplace.
    3.) The opponents did. And they sought to shut him up.
    4.) Sorry-- that is not free speech.
    1.) 100% correct
    2.) meaningless to rights and free speech
    3.) 100% false they cant shut him up they have no right to nor did they he is still free to say what he wants
    4.) no need to apologize for being wrong it is free speech because what you are making up didnt happen
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You're basically claiming the entire "left" wanted Eich fired, which is yet another partisan lie.
    No I am not but Obviously there were enough of them to force the man out through a concerted effort over a four year old f-ing contribution. That was their goal

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No I am not but Obviously there were enough of them to force the man out through a concerted effort over a four year old f-ing contribution. That was their goal
    He wasn't "forced out."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    He wasn't "forced out."
    Well do tell what would you call it?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    BOOM!

    and there you have it and this is why your posts failed so quickly. You were trying to argue things that i never said and you just admitted you dont even know my stance. thanks for proving me right

    you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but thats the real thing that doesnt matter.

    nothing illegal happened and everybody practiced their rights

    west boro isnt decent IMO but i would NEVER infringe on their rights
    Hmm. I have no idea who or what is "west boro" but it's important to you. Why in the world would I be interested in your "stance?' I was not aware there was a right or wrong in this discussion. This issue has always been about decency, not rights. You may not have understood that.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    It can be, the last facility hr manager was a kingdom builder and that's how she ran things through her politicking. (the actual facility manager was pretty much holed up in his office 24/7 and had no idea what was going on)

    This isn't normal, but I took a lesson in being a professional because of it and am intentionally a bit vanilla at work due to watching that and some other incidents, plus my general work ethic.

    However, the actions at work wasn't my point. My point is that this is simply the way the world works despite some people's wish that free speech only be used a certain way. The truth is that any freedom is a double edged sword and if its one thing we know from politics, its that if its possible and legal (or even if it isn't but can be gotten away with) its going to happen.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    True that! When I have workers come to my house to fix something, I don't care how they vote! These days, it's probably smarter to keep your thoughts to yourself anyway! Whoever said "Never discuss religion, politics or sex" was right on! Well, except for DP! That's 99 percent of what we discuss here! A healthy outlet just for us! :
    Heck, I hardly even discuss religion and politics with my friends, even though we all pretty much see it eye to eye.

    I mostly come here to observe and try to learn about human nature. Mostly when I participate, I am often probing someone to see their reactions to try to get a sense of their point of view and why that point of view exists.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    1.)Hmm. I have no idea who or what is "west boro" but it's important to you.
    2.)Why in the world would I be interested in your "stance?'
    3.) I was not aware there was a right or wrong in this discussion.
    4.) This issue has always been about decency, not rights.
    5.) You may not have understood that.
    1.) another illogical assumption, nope not important to me just an example of how free speech works for everyone. THey are a hate group.
    2.) so when you try to debate my stance your posts dont instantly fail, get destroyed and make no sense like they did.
    3.) depends on which part you want to talk about
    4.) wrong lol many people including YOU Mentioned rights
    5.) yes i understand your back pedal fine and my statement stands "you are free to have YOUR subjective meaningless opinion of "decency" but it doesnt matter to rights"
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