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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    this is absolutely true, I do not have bumper stickers that I would prefer to have on my vehicle because of the reactions from conservative southerners I would get, some of which could be detrimental to my livelihood (as had happened to a friend of mine)
    The divisive rhetoric is alive and well, and apparently working! We don't all have to agree on everything all the time, which would make us robots, but those making a judgment on a person's ability to earn a living based on a bumper sticker is : ! "If you don't agree with me, you won't work for me?" Is it really that bad out there?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1.)The same standards Eich was held to, Obama nor Hillary could be the CEO to Mozilla either because of their stance on gay marriage 4 years ago. What this does is show the hypocritical double standards of the left under flood lights for all to see.
    wrong since one donated and others didnt. THose would in FACT be different standards.

    thanks for proving me right and your post factually wrong . . . AGAIN
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I love that free speech bothers people only when they dont agree with it

    and the question a couple people keep running from because nobody can answer it

    what is the solution?

    very telling nobody showed any integrity and answered that, they only want free speech to be in place when it suits them

    west boro has free speech just like us all, you may not like it but its the only way it works [/QUOTE
    Certainly-- Eich donated $1000 against gay marriage six years ago. He has the freedom to do so.
    That is it. There is no workplace issue here.

    There are employees who dissagreed with him. Ok fine. Keep it out of the workplace-- as did Eich.
    Problem solved. Free speech preserved fro everyone
    Except that those who did not agree with Eich did not do so. They sougt to drive him out
    That isn't exercising their free speech.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) well then you should be fine with this because nobody acted against the rights of others
    2.) meanignless to the topic but that nice that you support equal rights
    3.) i only referred to it the last 3-4 posts lol

    and all you should have heard is laughing but that further explains why your posts are failing. The debate you are having in your head and anything i am actually saying is different.

    go back a couple posts youll find them
    You seem very interested in my view of your "stance." Sorry, but I have not been able to make out your stance except for your defense of free speech. To that the only possible response is: so what? Everyone is in favor of free speech. And no one on any side did anything illegal. The issue is decency. A man took private action to support a cause in which he believed and as a result was hounded out of his livelihood. I agree with Andrew Sullivan. Those who did this are no better than the old gay bashers of the religious right.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The same standards Eich was held to, Obama nor Hillary could be the CEO to Mozilla either because of their stance on gay marriage 4 years ago. What this does is show the hypocritical double standards of the left under flood lights for all to see.
    You're basically claiming the entire "left" wanted Eich fired, which is yet another partisan lie.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no complaint lol please stop making stuff up it donest help your failed arguments

    im fine with him using his free speech just like i am with others using thier also, thats the fact you leave out

    some only one the CEO to have free speech and nobody else, not me
    your post fails again and facts win again

    hopefully you caught up to the curve now
    Of course the supporters of gay marriage have free speech. As does Eich.

    However, Eich did not bring his opinion on the subject into the workplace. The opponents did. And they sought to shut him up.
    Sorry-- that is not free speech.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The divisive rhetoric is alive and well, and apparently working! We don't all have to agree on everything all the time, which would make us robots, but those making a judgment on a person's ability to earn a living based on a bumper sticker is : ! "If you don't agree with me, you won't work for me?" Is it really that bad out there?

    Greetings, Tacomancer.
    It can be, the last facility hr manager was a kingdom builder and that's how she ran things through her politicking. (the actual facility manager was pretty much holed up in his office 24/7 and had no idea what was going on)

    This isn't normal, but I took a lesson in being a professional because of it and am intentionally a bit vanilla at work due to watching that and some other incidents, plus my general work ethic.

    However, the actions at work wasn't my point. My point is that this is simply the way the world works despite some people's wish that free speech only be used a certain way. The truth is that any freedom is a double edged sword and if its one thing we know from politics, its that if its possible and legal (or even if it isn't but can be gotten away with) its going to happen. At some point, people need to account for this, man the **** up, and accept that their actions have may have unexpected consequences. Because whether some condition is someone's fault or not, until they take responsibility and fix it themselves, the condition will remain broken. People are doing entirely too much whining.

    Hi Polgara.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do they? That must have been your experience but I've never heard of that from anyone I know.
    Perhaps, because the media doesn't flash it all over the news like this one case. It does happen.

    "Bosses and those who work under them are not equal when it comes to free-speech legal claims. Employers have the right to take action against any employee who engages in political speech that company leaders find offensive. With a few narrow exceptions the Constitution and the federal laws derived from it only protect a person’s right to expression from government interference, not from the restrictions a private employer may impose, lawyers say.

    Employers are not similarly restricted in expressing their political views or encouraging support for a particular candidate or cause. Not only can employers remind employees of the upcoming election and encourage them to vote, but they can base continued employment on whether a worker agrees to contribute money or time to the boss’s favorite political candidate, so long as there’s no state law prohibiting it. (Eight states and the District of Columbia have laws protecting employees from such mandates.)" Where Free Speech Goes to Die: The Workplace - Businessweek

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wrong since one donated and others didnt. THose would in FACT be different standards.

    thanks for proving me right and your post factually wrong . . . AGAIN
    A man quietly donating to a cause he believed in versus two Democrat politicians who went on the record publically claiming DOMA was a good thing (Hillary) and Obama and Hillary both defining marriage between a man and a woman to the public is somehow dismissed by you as nothing???? Yeah right. The truth be told what Obama and Hillary did should be deemed by the left as far worse but somehow they get a pass and a 4 f-ing year old donation done in private trumps that. Absolutely asinine to the umpteenth degree and so disingenuous that is beyond the pale.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    1.)Certainly-- Eich donated $1000 against gay marriage six years ago. He has the freedom to do so.
    2.)That is it. There is no workplace issue here.
    3.)There are employees who dissagreed with him. Ok fine. Keep it out of the workplace-- as did Eich.
    4.) Problem solved. Free speech preserved fro everyone
    5.) Except that those who did not agree with Eich did not do so. They sougt to drive him out
    6.) That isn't exercising their free speech.
    1.) 100% correct he does have that right
    2.) this is just your opinion and not fact
    3.) translation: disallow them free speech
    4.) 100% false you want to infringe on the employees free speech YOU JUST SAID SO ABOVE lol
    5.) yes employees and customers practiced their free speech, a right they have that you want to take away
    6.) 100% false

    thank you for proving you dont want free speech and your post might also show you dont even know what it is.

    anybody else have a solution besides taking free speech away and denying people rights
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