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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes its free speech i agree
    2.) which is ALSO free speech, lets not forget this FACTS lol
    3.) meaningless to anything being discussed
    4.) no proof he was forced or illegal ativity
    5.) again FREE speech you cant pick and choose when you want it
    6.) yes some do feel that way, again nothing illegal happened
    7.) there is no impact in reality since the whole issue is free speech, again you cant pick and choose
    8.) again read above lol

    this is why the free speech strawman completely fails it applies to us ALL

    i dont like what west boro does but they have that right.

    THe CEO has a right to be a bigot and other have a right to say they dont like it and boycott the company

    all legal all protected by rights

    what is YOUR solution? only allow the CEO his rights and not others?

    let me know what you come up with im dying to know
    I suppose the question is...should his or anyone's free speech choices negatively affect their job.

    Granted it's almost a given that if you say something stupid/assholish enough and it gets back to your boss somehow, you WILL get in trouble.


    But should you?
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Obama and Hilary donated to prop 8?

    link?
    facts?

    another posted lie and strawman fails lol
    No record of donations but plenty out there to define what they were relating to the people...



    And Hillary couldn't be the CEo of Mozilla either under the same standards....

    In 2006, Senator Clinton voted against a proposed federal marriage amendment, but asserted marriage is “not just a bond, but a sacred bond between a man and a woman.” She added that she believed “the fundamental bedrock principle that [marriage] exists between a man and a woman going back into the mists of history as one of the founding foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principle role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults.”

    Clinton continued to oppose same-sex marriage as a Democratic presidential candidate in 2008, the same year Prop 8 passed. During that campaign she said, “I believe that DOMA served a very important purpose.”
    Hillary Clinton can't be president of Mozilla, United States | The Daily Caller

    Hypocrites!

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, just a general question about this topic in general.

    If one just thinks that a marriage is between a man and a woman, but doesn't care if guy people want to marry, and have that recognized for legal purposes, does that make this person a "bigot"? And why?

    no

    think
    feeling
    saying
    teaching your own
    preaching

    that gay marriage is wrong or being gay is wrong is not bigotry

    trying to deni them rights or treating them as leasers is bigotry

    theres a HUGE difference.

    there are lots of people that feel marriage is a man woman thing personally but they fully support equal rights because they respect peoples rights
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    WRONG lol
    "opinions" arent the issue here

    its his ACTIONS that are, its the donation that is the issue with people

    there are lots of people that have an OPINION that marriage should be between a man and woman but they would never fight against equal rights. Thats a HUGE difference.

    so grouping all 3 together is factually false and intellectually dishonest
    OK, so here's a list of other people who have perpetrated actions of bigotry that the LGBT community need to force from their jobs, or organizations that they need to boycott.

    Results for: $1 or more, $1,000 or less, donors supporting - Proposition 8 Campaign Contributions - Los Angeles Times

    I mean, all these people and organizations are bigots in California, right? Just think how much better California would be with all these bigots punished. With all these people's free speech, as defined by SOCUTS ruling, abridged.

    My gosh, it's almost as bad a having lost your rights or something. Oh wait. LGBT won that fight, and now the LGBT community is right in taking retribution?

    Better get going on this, there are 91,575 left to go.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No record of donations but plenty out there to define what they were relating to the people...



    And Hillary couldn't be the CEo of Mozilla either under the same standards....



    Hillary Clinton can't be president of Mozilla, United States | The Daily Caller

    Hypocrites!
    LMAO
    you just proved yourself factually wrong by admitting there were ZERO donation and then sayign same standards
    thank you for proving you have no idea about what people have actually said or are saying.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    called it, i knew you dodge and run, thats what i thought you got NOTHING lol

    nope i stand with free speech and rights the rest you are desperately trying to make up and nobody educated and honest buys it l
    you ready to answer the questions or you gonna dodge them again
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    It doesn't happen all the time and there are laws against it. When these types of issues occur, its generally because that political issue is causing a work issue.

    Eich did not go around Mozzilla proselthyzing his objection to Prop 8. The disruption is caused by people who do want to shut people up who have opinions on marriage as did Eich up.
    There are plenty of states that are at will and people can and do get fired for such things. There is no law to protect these people. A person can simply be supporting a political candidate and have something as benign as a bumper sticker on their car and be fired. Perhaps, it can be argued that such a sticker can cause a stir at work but so did Eich actions of contributing to a cause that outlaw marriage for gay people. Does that equally enrage you?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)I suppose the question is...should his or anyone's free speech choices negatively affect their job.

    Granted it's almost a given that if you say something stupid/assholish enough and it gets back to your boss somehow, you WILL get in trouble.


    But should you?
    should?
    well thats tricky

    the fact is free speech will, it has no choice because free speech applies to us all.

    the only way speech would not effect our job is if we didnt have it or only some of us did

    the should is a matter of opinion and nothing else.

    the fact is it can and thats the only way it works.

    whats your solution to fix it?
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    called it, i knew you dodge and run, thats what i thought you got NOTHING lol

    nope i stand with free speech and rights the rest you are desperately trying to make up and nobody educated and honest buys it l
    you ready to answer the questions or you gonna dodge them again
    Decent respect for tolerance and free speech would have been best served by simply leaving this alone. This is not an example of free speech; this is intolerance enforced by a lynch mob, which you apparently have joined.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes its free speech i agree
    2.) which is ALSO free speech, lets not forget this FACTS lol
    3.) meaningless to anything being discussed
    4.) no proof he was forced or illegal ativity
    5.) again FREE speech you cant pick and choose when you want it
    6.) yes some do feel that way, again nothing illegal happened
    7.) there is no impact in reality since the whole issue is free speech, again you cant pick and choose
    8.) again read above lol

    this is why the free speech strawman completely fails it applies to us ALL

    i dont like what west boro does but they have that right.

    THe CEO has a right to be a bigot and other have a right to say they dont like it and boycott the company

    all legal all protected by rights

    what is YOUR solution? only allow the CEO his rights and not others?

    let me know what you come up with im dying to know
    I have no opposition to free speech. Eich's, LGBT's or anyone else's.
    I do not believe that forcing someone out of their livelihood because of their exercise of free speech is justifiable.

    This is exactly what the LGBT community engaged in, and I see it as a dangerous precedent, for any group to exercise this level of impact on someone they disagree with.

    What happened to the most honorable 'I disagree with you completely, but support you right to say it'? Has that been cast to the way side?

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