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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The fact remains that he wasn't fired, so apparently the board at Mozilla had some concerns as well. As they should have.

    If they don't want the guy working for them, that's their prerogative. But they can't fire him. Hence why they most likely wrote him a big check and said "please leave so we can look good to the public."
    I don't see a CEO the same as a cashier. One cannot fire a cashier for failing to represent the company as expected in private affairs. A CEO, however, is a -the- representative of the company. And his failure to disclose personal affairs that could poorly reflect on the company is just about downright fraud and ground for dismissal.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, however Mozilla should have done their diligence BEFORE they hired him. It's not a fireable offense to donate to a mainstream political cause on your own dime on your own time, especially since it happened prior to him taking the job.
    Probably so, but that didn't happen, so they had to deal with the situation as it presents itself. Firefox is a child of the open source movement which is liberal and libertarian in bent, but mostly liberal. Hell the entire ethic of the GNU foundation and GPL licensing concepts are extremely liberal (based on the moral concept of sharing and can be seen as an attack against the concept of property). Worrying about hindsight wont solve the problem that the foundation found itself in where it was in a very real situation of possibly losing donors, especially given that google is their biggest backer. They made a sound decision and yes again for a job that has an inherent public personal, it can be a fireable offense for reason I already laid out.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Cue the people who start crying about "freedom of speech" without understanding what it means.
    He was fired because he made a political donation. That's freedom of speech according to US Supreme Court.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Looks like a stormfront file dump.
    Such a bastion of pent-up bi-curious self loathers....(same goes for Free Republic, the most angry closeted gay site on the web)
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    By these standards shouldn't the Koch Brothers be fired?
    Or President Obama who is opposed to Gay Marriage.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I'm pretty sure that it's a safe bet to make that most of those who are supporting Mozilla are simultaneously opposed to Hobby Lobby, not in the matter of what each company believes, but in the fact that Mozilla has a right to a belief and that Hobby Lobby doesn't.
    Both companies are being retarded.

    In Mozilla's case, they should have vetted their CEO BEFORE they hired him. They didn't, now they have to do mop up duty. They never fired him, that would be illegal. I'm sure that CEO is laughing all the way to the bank. He got a fat check for a couple week's worth of work, and Mozilla is the big loser in all this.

    They don't make a bad browser though.

    In Hobby Lobby's case, they're going to lose their Supreme Court battle. You can't just choose to follow certain parts of the law due to "moral objections," that would open up a whole can of worms. An exception already exists for churches and other religious institutions.

    What the legislature needs to do is give companies like Hobby Lobby the option to comply with the law and cover their employees, but opt out of the abortion/contraception part and instead pay a fine for it. But that needs to happen in congress, not the Supreme Court.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't see a CEO the same as a cashier. One cannot fire a cashier for failing to represent the company as expected in private affairs. A CEO, however, is a -the- representative of the company. And his failure to disclose personal affairs that could poorly reflect on the company is just about downright fraud and ground for dismissal.
    To be fair, though, firing a CEO is an absolute bitch. Their golden parachutes tend to be obscene, and if I were on the board of that company I'd look for something more than an unpopular political action on his part to fire him over.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    He was fired because he made a political donation. That's freedom of speech according to US Supreme Court.
    If the government threw him in jail, that would be violating freedom of speech. He exercised his first amendment right to freedom of speech; Mozilla exercised theirs to freedom of association.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    "Oh well it's his opinions, gosh you guys, can't a man have an opinion no matter how ugly and not suffer the consequences?"

    The answer is no and it always will be.
    I've already stated upthread that I have no problem with a labor market which allows free-fire cannings. I'm opposed to the unlevel playing field. Stop hiding behind anti-discrimination statutes and let people fire you because they find what you believe in to be ugly. One uniform standard.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, he did. He embarrassed the company. A CEO is a representative and not just a worker.
    Yep, if the CEO of my company (a very very public figure) did it, he would be out on his ass, and he is in the 1/100th of the 1%
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