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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Why doesn't he have to apologize to you or anyone? I sure as hell don't apologize to anyone for my opinion and I am sure you don't as well. So let's just toss this one to you doth protest to much.
    I never said he had to apologize to me. What is you problem? You can't even follow your own discussion. You asked me why do I still believe he is still bigot. I replied with he has not apologized for the donation or stated that he no longer holds that position. So for all we know he is still a bigot when it comes to rights and the lgbt community.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    A point.

    "Civil unions" Could, in theory, be made entirely equal to "marriages" in the legal sense - apart from having a different name, which might defeat the whole thing....

    What you can't control is the non-legal aspect of things - even if you, legally, require that marriages be considered equal no matter what sex the two parties are, were, or will be...

    Someone will disagree, and, at least informally, consider the two separate.

    I will agree that creating something that is identical except for it's name means it's not identical, and infact I think doing so would reinforce separation between the two.


    Now, if the state (in both the actual state and the federal sense) decided to rename all marriage documents and whatnot as "civil unions", that would be another thing entirely - everyone would be treated equally, so I wouldn't see an issue with it.


    Edit: That was way more than 1 point, sorry.
    not interested in controlling the non-legal part

    but that aside all you have to do is factually explain how now using facts and LEGALITY. Ill wait.

    dont forget about things like how a HUSBAND/WIFE become one person legally and cant testify against each other, also while you do that explain how you make the decades and decades of legal precedent concerning MARRIAGE apply to civil unions?

    then lastly if it would be even possible to waste all that time and money and go through the whole process, WHY on god green earth would we do something so stupid and mentally retarded?
    and why would this NOT be giving into to the bigots and discriminators?


    what if when Obama became present he was told, good job, you won, but listen. Theres lots of people that dont want a black president. They have "deep feelings" about this. They feel its a very "sacred" thing and theres never been a black president before. SO since theres so much "tradition" we decided we just cant make you president. We cant use that "word" for you because it could hurt peoples feelings. SO we are going to call you the CEO of AMerica. Now of course youll have the same power as the president before you and hold the same office they did but we just cant call you president. But it will be equal "wink wink" Now eventhough many people before you were president and got that right you wont. Yull be among the first to go by this NEW title we simply made up cause well you are black and that hurts peoples feelings. This doesnt violate you rights . . . right?

    sorry nobody buys that complete crock of **** lol

    its not equal and i dont see how the legality is possible and nor would anybody buy it to be anything more then letting the bigots win.

    Maybe women shouldnt be called bosses and CEOs etc when they got thier rights? we should have made up a NEW term
    maybe minorities or more specifically in this county blacks shouldnt have been called persons in the legal sense when they got their rights, we should have made up a NEW term

    Now im not attacking you cause im not saying you support this, im just asking you to back up your claim and support why it would even be tried and how anybody honest would think of it as anything more that a slap in the face to peoples rights.

    Sorry while ill need proof its possible which i dont see how, i cant do nothing but laugh at the pure absurdity of intellectual dishonesty of it and people completely mock this idea for how mentally retarded it is lol
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post

    Please see my post of Eich's blog post above.
    If he is no longer of the opinion that I don't believe he is a bigot. However, sometimes our actions, no matter how long ago, come back to haunt us.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That's what I was getting at. They don't understand that what they really fear is what those opinions bring, so in reality it's the acts they prompt not the opinions themselves.
    I guess, I see what your saying. Most opinions are a matter of free speech to a certain point. I don't take that as leading to a necessary action, only the desire.


    Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that those who oppose his opinion should not be threatened by his financial contribution ?
    I'm saying his financial contribution is an extension of his opinion, and not an unethical or illegal act. It can easily be countered by similar contributions for SSM.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I never said he had to apologize to me. What is you problem? You can't even follow your own discussion. You asked me why do I still believe he is still bigot. I replied with he has not apologized for the donation or stated that he no longer holds that position. So for all we know he is still a bigot when it comes to rights and the lgbt community.
    yep theres currently ZERO facts or evidence that say otherwise . .. zero
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    the definition of the word bigot makes him one.

    in fact until there's NEW evidence showing he isnt theres no reason to think otherwise unless of course one wants to ignore evidence and definition of words.
    Ill stick with the evidence, facts and definitions.
    Fact and definitions as you see them. Actions speak louder than words. Eich's actions appear to be LGBT friendly policies and atmosphere Mozilla, yet you find it more fair and founded in facts and definitions and continue to call him a bigot?

    What of the evidence of the culture that Eich lead and promoted at Mozilla? This counts for nothing in your opinion?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not interested in controlling the non-legal part

    but that aside all you have to do is factually explain how now using facts and LEGALITY. Ill wait.

    dont forget about things like how a HUSBAND/WIFE become one person legally and cant testify against each other, also while you do that explain how you make the decades and decades of legal precedent concerning MARRIAGE apply to civil unions?

    then lastly if it would be even possible to waste all that time and money and go through the whole process, WHY on god green earth would we do something so stupid and mentally retarded?
    and why would this NOT be giving into to the bigots and discriminators?


    what if when Obama became present he was told, good job, you won, but listen. Theres lots of people that dont want a black president. They have "deep feelings" about this. They feel its a very "sacred" thing and theres never been a black president before. SO since theres so much "tradition" we decided we just cant make you president. We cant use that "word" for you because it could hurt peoples feelings. SO we are going to call you the CEO of AMerica. Now of course youll have the same power as the president before you and hold the same office they did but we just cant call you president. But it will be equal "wink wink" Now eventhough many people before you were president and got that right you wont. Yull be among the first to go by this NEW title we simply made up cause well you are black and that hurts peoples feelings. This doesnt violate you rights . . . right?

    sorry nobody buys that complete crock of **** lol

    its not equal and i dont see how the legality is possible and nor would anybody buy it to be anything more then letting the bigots win.

    Maybe women shouldnt be called bosses and CEOs etc when they got thier rights? we should have made up a NEW term
    maybe minorities or more specifically in this county blacks shouldnt have been called persons in the legal sense when they got their rights, we should have made up a NEW term

    Now im not attacking you cause im not saying you support this, im just asking you to back up your claim and support why it would even be tried and how anybody honest would think of it as anything more that a slap in the face to peoples rights.

    Sorry while ill need proof its possible which i dont see how, i cant do nothing but laugh at the pure absurdity of intellectual dishonesty of it and people completely mock this idea for how mentally retarded it is lol
    Damn, talk about a rant.

    Sure, there are some people who would claim they changed word just so they could get away with not allowing "gay marriage" while still allowing it, under a different name.

    It's a cop-out, really, but it would still technically be "equal rights". Then everyone could continue calling it "gay marriage" instead of "marriage", much like they will anyway.

    You can't legislate thought, but that's beside the point.

    I'd accept changing all "marriage" documents to "civil unions" if it meant gay people could get married in the legal sense. Which is the only thing that can be moderated legally in any case.

    Insisting on the use of the word marriage seems kinda ironic though, when one of the "arguments" against same-sex marriage is that the word doesn't mean that. "words mean things, etc, etc., and all that bs".
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Yes Obama once held a bigoted view of marriage while in senate. His comments back then where heard and filled the lgbt with disgust. It was never tolerated or ignored. He since changed his views. He went from bigotry to a proponent of gay rights.
    You don't get it do you.. same opinions and you treat Obama as untouchable. LGBT community should have called for him to resign as President or face whatever. Did they? No. So that's a double standard by the LGBT community starting right there. If you have a standard for one person (Obama) you need that same standard with all. Right? ****ing hypocrites are what they are.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    With all this media fire why wouldn't he just say so? That makes no since. If he no longer believes in his action from 6 years ago, why wouldn't he clarify that?
    What media fire? You mean a few thousand twitter tweets and a website called OKcupid..
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    1.)Fact and definitions as you see them.
    2.) Actions speak louder than words. Eich's actions appear to be LGBT friendly policies and atmosphere Mozilla,

    3.)yet you find it more fair and founded in facts and definitions and continue to call him a bigot?

    4.)What of the evidence of the culture that Eich lead and promoted at Mozilla? This counts for nothing in your opinion?
    1.) 100% wrong. Facts and definitions cant be changed by how i see them. Lets review them, he donated money to try and stop people from having equality and rights, that fits the definition of bigotry
    2.) so it was HIM who designed/wrote and enforced this LGBT friendly policies and atmosphere Mozilla?
    also what did they involve?
    did they only exist because of him or were they in place before him?
    are these policies just in accordance to LAW?

    please answer these questions

    3.) nope not "fair" just going by FACTS, fair has nothing to do with it

    until there's new facts and evidence why would i ASSUME differently?

    4.) no it counts for absolutely nothing LMAO why would it
    again back to the culture/policies unless his idea, he wrote it, made sure it was enforced, didnt excist before he got there and it wasnt inspired by law and rights that already exist.

    if that happen THEN ill change my opinion


    say a cop is a bigot against <insert group here> and he donated money to not grant them rights or to a hate group against them or was leader of a hate group against women or blacks or Christians etc etc

    BUT

    while he was a cop he never unjustly arrested one of said group and followed the law and practiced god job duties

    whould that stop him from being a bigot?


    nope. lol


    so as soon as you have something that shows he isnt ill stick with facts and definitions
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It's more than an emotional buy issue. It's a performance and features decision, at least for my part, in that IE still doesn't work as fast a Firefox, and with the open ended add-in development environment with a rich set of additional features and capabilities that IE can't match. The market has produced a superior product to Microsoft's offerings.
    Personally, I prefer opera on the sheer compatibility side. I tend to see fewer bugs with opera and better web page rendering.

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