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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It does matter. Are you calling for the impeachment of President Obama who held the same belief? That President Obama was running around California and Florida in 2008 supporting Prop 8 within the African-American and Hispanic Community. Nah.. but it was widely known and nobody went after him... wonder why?
    Yes Obama once held a bigoted view of marriage while in senate. His comments back then where heard and filled the lgbt with disgust. It was never tolerated or ignored. He since changed his views. He went from bigotry to a proponent of gay rights.

    Did anybody ask Eich if his opinion evolved? Nope, so it was a witch hunt which wasn't afforded to others who supported Prop 8, starting with the Democratic Party..
    With all this media fire why wouldn't he just say so? That makes no since. If he no longer believes in his action from 6 years ago, why wouldn't he clarify that?
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A copy of a questionnaire?!

    Guilty!

    is that your way of conceding? You had a dumb point that turned out to be wrong in multiple ways. Sorry - it happens.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Evelyn Beatrice Hall the author of her biography of Voltaire entitled, 'The Friends of Voltaire' (1906).

    Hall's quotation is often cited to describe the principle of freedom of speech.

    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    If Eich apologizes for donating a 1000$ towards legislation that oppresses the rights of the lgbt then I would no longer think he is a bigot. He hasn't. He's made no comment. I'm sure he is angry that the gays have the nerve to be upset about his just reasoning for wanting to ban them from marriage. What evidence do we have that shows us he is no longer of that bigoted opinion?
    No, somehow I don't think he's a bigot at all, and I think he has apologized, in public, in writing no less.
    A number of Mozillians, including LGBT individuals and allies, have stepped forward to offer guidance and assistance in this. I cannot thank you enough, and I ask for your ongoing help to make Mozilla a place of equality and welcome for all. Here are my commitments, and here’s what you can expect:

    • Active commitment to equality in everything we do, from employment to events to community-building.
    • Working with LGBT communities and allies, to listen and learn what does and doesn’t make Mozilla supportive and welcoming.
    • My ongoing commitment to our Community Participation Guidelines, our inclusive health benefits, our anti-discrimination policies, and the spirit that underlies all of these.
    • My personal commitment to work on new initiatives to reach out to those who feel excluded or who have been marginalized in ways that makes their contributing to Mozilla and to open source difficult. More on this last item below.

    I know some will be skeptical about this, and that words alone will not change anything. I can only ask for your support to have the time to “show, not tell”; and in the meantime express my sorrow at having caused pain.

    Mozilla is a movement composed of different people around the world, working productively together on a common mission. This is important to our ability to work and grow around the world.

    Many Mozillians and others know me as a colleague or a friend. They know that I take people as they come and work with anyone willing to contribute. At the same time, I don’t ask for trust free of context, or without a solid structure to support accountability. No leader or person who has a privileged position should. I want to be held accountable for what I do as CEO. I fully expect you all to do so.

    I am committed to ensuring that Mozilla is, and will remain, a place that includes and supports everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, gender identity, age, race, ethnicity, economic status, or religion.

    You will see exemplary behavior from me toward everyone in our community, no matter who they are; and the same toward all those whom we hope will join, and for those who use our products. Mozilla’s inclusive health benefits policies will not regress in any way. And I will not tolerate behavior among community members that violates our Community Participation Guidelines or (for employees) our inclusive and non-discriminatory employment policies.

    You’ll also see more from Mozilla under my leadership in the way of efforts to include potential contributors, especially those who lack privilege. This entails several projects, starting with Project Ascend, which is being developed by Lukas Blakk. I intend to demonstrate with meaningful action my commitment to a Mozilla that lives up to its ideals, including that of being an open and inclusive community.

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    Inclusiveness at Mozilla | Brendan Eich

    If there's an appology that needs to be made, I think it should be coming from the people that unleashed this faux controversy and who are portraying all this faux outrage.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    If Eich apologizes for donating a 1000$ towards legialation that oppressing then I would no longer think he is a bigot. He hasn't. He's made no comment. I'm sure he is angry that the gays have the nerve to be upset about his just reasoning for wanting to ban them from marriage. What evidence do we have that shows us he is no longer of that bigoted opinion?
    Why doesn't he have to apologize to you or anyone? I sure as hell don't apologize to anyone for my opinion and I am sure you don't as well. So let's just toss this one to you doth protest to much.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    is that your way of conceding? You had a dumb point that turned out to be wrong in multiple ways. Sorry - it happens.
    You're gonna have to do better than a copy of a questionnaire claimed by whom?

    Let me guess... Dan Rather?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Yes Obama once held a bigoted view of
    marriage while in senate. His comments back then where heard and filled the lgbt with disgust. It was never tolerated or ignored. He since changed his views. He went from bigotry to a proponent of gay rights.


    With all this media fire why wouldn't he just say so? That makes no since. If he no longer believes in his action from 6 years ago, why wouldn't he clarify that?
    No, he didn't chnage his views, he only CLAIMED to change his views because it was politically expediant.

    He wanst bigoted back then and he still wouldn't be bigoted now if he hsd the character to stand up for what he believed in.

    But I encourage the left and activist groups to continue down this path od McCarthyistic behaviour.

    The growing backlash will be a great reminder how much of a minority these activist groups actually represent.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Summary:
    Tarnished by their own behavior - yes
    Whites deciding where they want to live - yes
    I see no greater hating of diversity than those who claim that as their goal, as they generally don't accept diversity in opinion or position, and do all they can to promote theirs over all others
    Homosexuals suffering from depression - no idea
    Tarnished by their own behavior? And what about every other race? Sand hooks, batman massacre, columbine high school, The list goes on. White people commit crimes too? Are they tarnished. Are they by default mass murderers until proven otherwise? It makes no since. To apply such logic to only the black community shows an extreme amount of delusion.

    White do have the right to choose where they want to live. What does that have to do with the point I brought up? Whites can choose to move, but if they are moving because they don't want to be near blacks, because they assume all blacks are bad and dangerous, then that is racism.

    - I was talking about riverdad as his own exact opinion on diversity. He is a white nationalist.

    - Homosexuals are not the cause of their own depression, society is. Captain Courtesy, who is a professional in this field, not only provided riverdad with the studies that proved this, but also shared his own insight. Riverdad stubbornly clung to his bigoted position.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I believe many *think* they want conformity of opinion to ensure certain actions, but it's a big mistake. .
    That's what I was getting at. They don't understand that what they really fear is what those opinions bring, so in reality it's the acts they prompt not the opinions themselves.

    And giving money to a PAC is not an unsafe act
    Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that those who oppose his opinion should not be threatened by his financial contribution ?
    "Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers" - Voltaire
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Yes Obama once held a bigoted view of marriage while in senate. His comments back then where heard and filled the lgbt with disgust. It was never tolerated or ignored. He since changed his views. He went from bigotry to a proponent of gay rights.
    Make no mistake. That Obama being politically expedient. If you expect that he's had some sort of revelation that's changed his mind, I'm afraid that you'll be sorely disappointed. The man is a politician, after all, above all else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    With all this media fire why wouldn't he just say so? That makes no since. If he no longer believes in his action from 6 years ago, why wouldn't he clarify that?
    Please see my post of Eich's blog post above.

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