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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, I don't I strongly dislike him and I get called a Bigot. But if that's the definition you are gonna use.. then EVERYBODY is a bigot and it's a null and void term for a debate. It's akin to calling someone a Nazi in a debate because they disagree with you. So the LBGT community are being bigots over Mozilla, right?
    No it's not null and void just because you can identify a lot of people as being a bigot. You are being fallacious by trying to dismiss the term.

    The lgbt community is upset because the CEO donated 1000 dollars to a proposistion that was going to legally deny them the right to marry who they love, that's not an unfair premise to judge someone.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    And Chick-fil-A.

    I guess it goes back to that cliché that defines insanity as doing what has been done before, and expecting a different result.

    The simple truth is that homosexuals will never be more than a very small, freakish minority, who can never rationally expect anything better than passive tolerance from society as a whole. Their recent effort to try to force society to redefine and alter some of its most essential institutions just to cater to them is not going to end well no matter how they conduct it; and as they engage in more and more antics such as this, which only antagonize mainstream society, they should expect that the tolerance that they now enjoy will be withdrawn.
    Yeah, and it's not like the economy is bursting with jobs under this Moron-in-Chief. We can't really start putting more people out of work because of their beliefs on marriage. It's hard to imagine, but people here are supporting a person losing his job because of his support of this amendment. I can't believe it's just this one person that they want out of a job. You know, if they could have their way, they would threaten everyone of that belief with losing their job.

    And that shows what they are really about. Control. They don't give a hoot about who wants to marry what. It's all about having the opposition crushed into admission. They want us to say 2+2=5, even though we both know it does not.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Well, yes, if we lowered our claimed moral standards to that of the Democrats, then we would certainly be caught much less often than we or the Democrats now are, violating our respective claimed standards.

    But unlike those on the wrong, we on the right find more value in aspiring to higher standards, even if we occasionally fall short of them, than on setting our standards so low as to think that we needn't challenge ourselves at all to meet them. I think it is certainly clear which approach leads to better results.
    I wasn't suggesting lowering the standards THAT far.

    Just...not so "high" in certain areas.

    Put it this way. I think republicans in general have unreasonably high requirements for acceptable behavior in some areas, whereas democrats in general have unreasonably low standards for acceptable behavior in some areas. Mainly religious/sexual in the former case and responsibility/capability in the latter case.

    This is one of the reasons that I dislike both parties.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    No it's not null and void just because you can identify a lot of people as being a bigot. You are being fallacious by trying to dismiss the term.

    The lgbt community is upset because the CEO donated 1000 dollars to a proposistion that was going to legally deny them the right to marry who they love, that's not an unfair premise to judge someone.
    They are upset over a donations from 6 years ago and practicing McCarthyism today. It's 2014 today.. not 2008. LBGT got what they wanted and now they are being the bigots.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, only stupid people disagree on what logic and reason say and they can be safely ignored.
    no. When it comes to social policy, very intelligent and well-meaning people disagree sharply on what logic and reason say.

    So, you don't think he changed his mind. You think he covered his true feelings, for decades, just to unleash a fraud upon the American people when the time was right
    No, I think he wanted to win in 2008, and that required that he pose as a moderate. You may recall he also ran against George Bush's 'huge' $500Bn deficit, calling it "unAmerican" and promising to cut it in half in 4 years, promised that he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone other than the top income brackets, etc. Then in 2012, he wanted to run and win, and that required that he revitalize his somewhat demoralized base. That created the venue to allow him to publicly state (again) what had been his position before he decided in 2004 to lie about it in order to successfully run for President in 2008.

    This isn't exactly a right wing nutjob conspiracy theory - it's just the history of the man. Witness the fact that the typically left-leaning Politifact says the same thing.

    ...Obama was in favor of same-sex marriage before he was against it — and before he was for it again.

    In 1996, as he ran for Illinois state Senate, Chicago’s Outlines gay newspaper asked candidates to fill out a questionnaire. Tracy Baim, the co-founder and publisher of Outlines, dug up a copy of the questionnaire in 2009, cataloging the president-elect’s shift.

    He had written on the 1996 questionnaire, "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages."...
    Etc. so on and so forth. The man did, in fact, conceal his position in order to get hired.

    Not that the CEO of Mozilla (to my knowledge) did so. As has been pointed out, he deliberately donated enough to be part of the public record, and "Are you now, or have you ever, been a member of a social conservative movement" wasn't, as far as I know, one of the questions the Board asked him when they hired him.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And Mozilla isn't a company that relies on emotional buy, rather anti-Microsoft Internet Explorer mentality.
    which is inherently emotional.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. When it comes to social policy, very intelligent and well-meaning people disagree sharply on what logic and reason say.



    No, I think he wanted to win in 2008, and that required that he pose as a moderate. You may recall he also ran against George Bush's 'huge' $500Bn deficit, calling it "unAmerican" and promising to cut it in half in 4 years, promised that he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone other than the top income brackets, etc. Then in 2012, he wanted to run and win, and that required that he revitalize his somewhat demoralized base. That created the venue to allow him to publicly state (again) what had been his position before he decided in 2004 to lie about it in order to successfully run for President in 2008.

    This isn't exactly a right wing nutjob conspiracy theory - it's just the history of the man. Witness the fact that the typically left-leaning Politifact says the same thing.



    Etc. so on and so forth. The man did, in fact, conceal his position in order to get hired.

    Not that the CEO of Mozilla (to my knowledge) did so. As has been pointed out, he deliberately donated enough to be part of the public record, and "Are you now, or have you ever, been a member of a social conservative movement" wasn't, as far as I know, one of the questions the Board asked him when they hired him.
    A copy of a questionnaire?!

    Guilty!


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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yeah, and it's not like the economy is bursting with jobs under this Moron-in-Chief. We can't really start putting more people out of work because of their beliefs on marriage. It's hard to imagine, but people here are supporting a person losing his job because of his support of this amendment. I can't believe it's just this one person that they want out of a job. You know, if they could have their way, they would threaten everyone of that belief with losing their job.

    And that shows what they are really about. Control. They don't give a hoot about who wants to marry what. It's all about having the opposition crushed into admission. They want us to say 2+2=5, even though we both know it does not.
    agreed.
    could you imagine if he had contributed money to a pro-gay marriage group and THEN had been fired?! The liberals/gay community would be pouring gasoline on themselves outside the Mozilla Headquarters! The world would have come to a standstill. Yet they see this current situation and say he got what he deserved. It's impossible to argue with people who can rationalize ANYTHING that subverts their own arguments. amazing

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Nice hysteria. Maybe you should throw the Holocaust into it while you're at it.
    what hysteria? you either believe in free speech or thought police which is it?

    you believe in allowing someone to voice their opinion or you believe in silencing them with threat of force. which is it?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    They are upset over a donations from 6 years ago and practicing McCarthyism today. It's 2014 today.. not 2008. LBGT got what they wanted and now they are being the bigots.
    It doesn't matter when it was done, what matters is that it was done. Time doesn't change his adamant desire to deny a community their right. It's ridiculous that you think it should change things, that everyone should be like - "well it was so long ago let's just pretend it never happened." It did happen and it bit him in the ass 6 years later.
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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