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Us secretly created 'cuban twitter' to stir unrest

Grant said:
Maybe. But they are not free to leave, which has always been a basic human right everywhere but in the most totalitarian nations. Is it your understanding that Cuba has a higher standard of living, or a better educational system, than Guam or Puerto Rico?
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Standard of living is dependent on the demographic tested. My contention is that we'd probably benefit more from Cuba where the majority of the population is educated than a place like Guam where most are dependent on US charity. They have a native population that is far more educated than Puerto Rico's. Why not take advantage of that?
 
ecofarm said:
The Castro regime are totalitarian scumbags. Anything done to undermine them is just.
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those old dudes are as dangerous as a toothless hound.How in the world does a twitter account destablize Cuba?

Does the adminstration believe smartphone using cubans are going to create a Cuban Spring? One problem Mr. President...most cubans dont have smart phones or twitter accounts.
 
Hatuey said:
Standard of living is dependent on the demographic tested. My contention is that we'd probably benefit more from Cuba where the majority of the population is educated than a place like Guam where most are dependent on US charity. They have a native population that is far more educated than Puerto Rico's. Why not take advantage of that?
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Many Cubans who have have escaped from Cuba have made successes of themselves in the US but none in Cubba are permitted to legally leave. That's probably why the US, or any other country in the world, has been able to take advantage of all these highly educated people you speak of.
 
1750Texan said:
those old dudes are as dangerous as a toothless hound.How in the world does a twitter account destablize Cuba?

Does the adminstration believe smartphone using cubans are going to create a Cuban Spring? One problem Mr. President...most cubans dont have smart phones or twitter accounts.
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Or computers.
 
Grant said:
Many Cubans who have have escaped from Cuba have made successes of themselves in the US but none in Cubba are permitted to legally leave. That's probably why the US, or any other country in the world, has been able to take advantage of all these highly educated people you speak of.
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Yeah, can we say the same about the Puerto Ricans? Hell, even most of Hawaii's native population doesn't have much to offer us. I simply disputed this:

The sad fact is they have little too trade apart from young Cuban women.
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jonny5 said:
Then we might as well dissolve the union.
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Word on the street is that similar tactics have been employed to also destabilize Amish communities in Ohio.
 
Jango said:
Union as in country or union as in Congress-intelligence agencies?
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As in if the peoples representatives can not be trusted to oversee the govt, then we should get rid of them and the govt.
 
jonny5 said:
As in if the peoples representatives can not be trusted to oversee the govt, then we should get rid of them and the govt.
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That wouldn't work out very well because one set of problems would be replaced with a newer set of the same problems, namely, if the current government was disposed, a new government would invariably be created and installed, which would revert back to previous settings or get even worse, and in-between that transition millions of Americans would die, which in the end, would prove to be needless. And that's assuming that a grassroots effort could even unseat the government, which considering the technological superiority the government enjoys, puts the odds around nil.

No, what's needed is more contact with Congressmen/Congresswomen and Senators and more activity in educating our fellow citizens to how far this nation has gotten off the tracks and that if we wish to alter the course we're on, we need to do it while we still have some leveraging power.
 
Cuba is a wonderful country. That's why our Coast Guard is constantly struggling to prevent Americans fleeing to Cuba. :roll:
 
Hatuey said:
Cuba is actually one of the go to places for medical procedures, cheap medicine and free schooling. They also have armies of engineers that could be exported and have some of the most educated populace on the planet. As a country, they probably could offer us more than deadweights like Puerto Rico or Guam.
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Yes, people from all over the world are flocking to Cuba to take advantage of their medical procedures and facilities and it's easy to see why. Hospital Clnico Quirrgico
 
jonny5 said:
More interesting:



Seems pretty par for US, except that USAID is now acting like the CIA, possibly illegally. Did congress or the President know this was going on?
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You should read about some of the crazy **** Kennedy did to undermine Castro - a lot of his ideas were pure comedy. Some ideas he actually employed while others he didn't but they were all insane.

I have always enjoyed propaganda - especially the weird stuff.

I think every major superpower has their own propaganda wing where they just make **** up and pass it off.

This is why I take everything governments say with a grain of salt....
 
Grant said:
Yes, people from all over the world are flocking to Cuba to take advantage of their medical procedures and facilities and it's easy to see why. Hospital Clnico Quirrgico
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You're not even trying:

And the foreigners-only pharmacies fully stocked with imported drugs, reminding me of President Jimmy Carter’s admonition (presented live on Cuban TV during his visit to Cuba in January 2001) that Cuba can buy all the drugs its needs from Mexico, Brazil, etc. at prices well below those charged in the United States.
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These are the hospitals where Cubans have to go because they do not have the hard currency to pay the Castro brothers, like their foreign patients can do.
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Argentinean soccer star Maradona, for example, has traveled several times to Cuba to receive treatment to combat his drug addiction. But Cubans are not even allowed to visit those facilities.
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It was like being in a dream where two different things can happen at the same time. We were in a two-tier system: one for the privileged (tourists, for example) and the other for those who lived and worked in socialist Cuba.
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Even your source admits that tourists go to Cuba for medical procedures. Not taking advantage of this like the Europeans have is ridiculous. We'd benefit from having cheaper doctors and having some sort of communication with everyday Cubans and they'd benefit through a new source of income.
 
Cuba allowed a Russian warship to dock there just a month ago, has everyone forgotten?

No love lost for the government of Cuba. Do whatever it takes to topple them. We can't have an enemy that close to our border.
 
Grant said:
If Cuba can trade with the rest of the world there is nothing to stop them. The sad fact is they have little too trade apart from young Cuban women. The cigars are now of very poor quality and they can barely feed their people.

The US does business with China, as do many countries, but few are their 'friends'.
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The cigars are great, I had a real cuban cohiba just the other day and it was marvelous.

Cuba has a lot to offer the world. Cigars, sugar cane, and a beautiful culture.
 
Did I hear that Russia will be planning more exercises in the southern Part of the Western Hemisphere ?
 
Peter Grimm said:
The cigars are great, I had a real cuban cohiba just the other day and it was marvelous.

Cuba has a lot to offer the world. Cigars, sugar cane, and a beautiful culture.
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I doubt it was an actual Cohiba from Cuba, no matter what the packaging said. The soil has been leeched by overuse in a desperate attempt for foreign dollars. The seeds of the original Cuban Cohibas are now being used in Nicaragua (and I'm familiar with these) and even in the eastern US. I've bought what I thought were original Cuban Cohibas and was told otherwise by those who knew. When I smoked I liked the Nicaraguans cigars best.


No people suffering under a totalitarian regime can be at their best.
 
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Grant said:
I doubt it was an actual Cohiba from Cuba, no matter what the packaging said. The soil has been leeched by overuse in a desperate attempt for foreign dollars. The seeds of the original Cuban Cohibas are now being used in Nicaragua (and I'm familiar with these) and even in the eastern US. I've bought what I thought were original Cuban Cohibas and was told otherwise by those who knew. When I smoked I liked the Nicaraguans cigars best.
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They were Cuban cohibas, I bought them while traveling outside the United States.
 
Peter Grimm said:
They were Cuban cohibas, I bought them while traveling outside the United States.
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It really doesn't matter where you bought them. Counterfeits are everywhere. I bought my fakes in Costa Rica.
 
Jango said:
Things like this don't bother me. What bothers me, though, is going to be the lies our government tell the media (and indirectly us) about this program now that it has been publicly revealed.
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what lies, it is no more nefarious than broadcasting information into a country we don't like. It wasn't as covert as some say and it was paid for by money allocated by Congress.
 
Grant said:
If Cuba can trade with the rest of the world there is nothing to stop them. The sad fact is they have little too trade apart from young Cuban women. The cigars are now of very poor quality and they can barely feed their people.

The US does business with China, as do many countries, but few are their 'friends'.
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Are you assuming China possesses no "sex trade", slave labor, or other problems that Cuba has? So it is ok to trade with China, because everyone else is but not ok to trade with Cuba when everyone else is?
 
Jango said:
That wouldn't work out very well because one set of problems would be replaced with a newer set of the same problems, namely, if the current government was disposed, a new government would invariably be created and installed, which would revert back to previous settings or get even worse, and in-between that transition millions of Americans would die, which in the end, would prove to be needless. And that's assuming that a grassroots effort could even unseat the government, which considering the technological superiority the government enjoys, puts the odds around nil.

No, what's needed is more contact with Congressmen/Congresswomen and Senators and more activity in educating our fellow citizens to how far this nation has gotten off the tracks and that if we wish to alter the course we're on, we need to do it while we still have some leveraging power.
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Youre off on a tangent. Im talking only about your suggestion that congress cant be trusted with national secrets.
 
tlmorg02 said:
Are you assuming China possesses no "sex trade", slave labor, or other problems that Cuba has? So it is ok to trade with China, because everyone else is but not ok to trade with Cuba when everyone else is?
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I never mentioned China and China is not the subject.
 
Sababa said:
what lies, it is no more nefarious than broadcasting information into a country we don't like. It wasn't as covert as some say and it was paid for by money allocated by Congress.
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As I said, creating a fake Twitter for Cubans does not bother me. However, as I also said, the likely lies that will come out from the government if the administration is pressed on the issue will probably be the common refrain that every administration uses: the President did not know it was occurring.

That particular denial has been used WAY too much over the years by Democrats and Republicans alike. The funny/sad thing is that people still fall for it.
 
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