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    FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    FBI seizes thousands of artifacts from rural Ind. home

    ~snip~ WALDRON, Ind. FBI agents Wednesday seized "thousands" of cultural artifacts, including American Indian items, from the private collection of a 91-year-old man who had acquired them over the past eight decades. ~snip~

    Um - why? What right does the Federal Bureau of Intimidation have to come into this guy's house and take his art? I don't understand. I mean, if he was an international art thief who had the Mona Lisa hidden behind a Thomas Kincaid painting, I'd say "OK," but they gave no indication in the article that that kind of artwork was found.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    FBI seizes thousands of artifacts from rural Ind. home

    ~snip~ WALDRON, Ind. FBI agents Wednesday seized "thousands" of cultural artifacts, including American Indian items, from the private collection of a 91-year-old man who had acquired them over the past eight decades. ~snip~

    Um - why? What right does the Federal Bureau of Intimidation have to come into this guy's house and take his art? I don't understand. I mean, if he was an international art thief who had the Mona Lisa hidden behind a Thomas Kincaid painting, I'd say "OK," but they gave no indication in the article that that kind of artwork was found.
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    The aim of the investigation is to determine what each artifact is, where it came from and how Miller obtained it, Jones said, to determine whether some of the items might be illegal to possess privately.
    Last I checked it was the FBI's job to enforce the law. Being old is not an excuse. And somehow I kinda doubt the FBI was terribly rough with the old guy.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    It's a sad fact, but government authorities have been increasingly heavy-handed with taking Indian artifacts from collectors for the past couple of decades, regardless of where you find them. In many public areas now, it's illegal to even look for them on top of the ground.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Sounds like the typical "Guilty until proven innocent" practice that is becoming more and more prevalent in this country.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    In addition, the investigation could result in the "repatriation" of any of the cultural items, Jones said.
    Think this is the most distrubing part of the situation. So if its determined that this man acquired these items legally, would this still be the case? And if so, does the "cultural entity" have to provide compensation?

    The man is 91 years old, he likely spent most of his life collecting this stuff. Its one thing if he was buying stolen items, whole other game if they find no evidence the items were not stolen or he got them without the knowledge that they were stolen.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Sounds like the typical "Guilty until proven innocent" practice that is becoming more and more prevalent in this country.
    Probably should read the article:

    The Rush County man, Don Miller, has not been arrested or charged.
    So yeah, he is not yet even accused of a crime. Hardly "guilty until proven innocent"...
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    No he hasn't been arrested or charged, but I don't think it's right that they are seizing artifacts that he's been collecting for 80 years. They are seizing it to determine if he broke a law?

    That doesn't seem right that they can do that. I understand that there are certain things that are not allowed to own, like moon rocks. But it's not like moon rocks have been laying all over the ground for the last several thousand years. He probably started collecting arrow heads when he was a little boy, and has done so for the rest of his life. I have a neighbor who collects all sorts of artifacts, and she has found a bullet and a piece of a belt buckle from the Civil War. Does she have to worry about stuff like that now?
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    How dare he collect items from our rightful people.
    Glad they got that major lawbreaker. Hope he does life in prison for defiling the memory of such fine peoples as the native Americans.
    Another win for the FBI and LE everywhere. (dripping sarcasm)

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How dare he collect items from our rightful people.
    Glad they got that major lawbreaker. Hope he does life in prison for defiling the memory of such fine peoples as the native Americans.
    Another win for the FBI and LE everywhere. (dripping sarcasm)
    Seriously - did anyone ever know that Native Americans were butthurt that we were collecting arrowheads? We were always on the lookout for arrowheads when we were kids, and my grandmother, who was 1/2 Cherokee (her mother was Cherokee) never told us that we shouldn't do it. This is honestly the first I've heard of it.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Seriously - did anyone ever know that Native Americans were butthurt that we were collecting arrowheads? We were always on the lookout for arrowheads when we were kids, and my grandmother, who was 1/2 Cherokee (her mother was Cherokee) never told us that we shouldn't do it. This is honestly the first I've heard of it.
    The FBI apparently are bored and needed something to do.
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