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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Picking up arrowheads is one thing. Digging in known artifact areas is illegal.
    I agree, that would be trespassing. Private land is however a private matter.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    This subject has me thinking and feeling guilty. While camping in the alcove in Utah I talked about earlier I ran across a pile of chipped stones while out on a hike one day. You could see where some Indian had sat and made arrowheads. There was a small pile of flaked off rock and a few misshapen arrowheads that he culled. It was really cool to imagine him sitting there doing that God only knows how long ago. I scooped the stones up and put them in my day pack. Now they are in a baggie somewhere I don't even know where. I should have left the stones there for someone else to find and marvel at but I was young and stupid, that's my only guilt ridden defense.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's a sad fact, but government authorities have been increasingly heavy-handed with taking Indian artifacts from collectors for the past couple of decades, regardless of where you find them. In many public areas now, it's illegal to even look for them on top of the ground.
    I think it's a good thing. Especially here in the west where crack/meth addicts plunder valuable archeological sites and sell the artifacts to support their addiction. They do a lot of damage and desecration to the sites and the surrounding environment. So I'm all for a law that will put artifact thieves in jail.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think it's a good thing. Especially here in the west where meth addicts plunder valuable archeological sites and sell the artifacts for just enough to get high. They do a lot of damage and descration to the sites and the surrounding environment. I'm all for a law that will put artifact thieves in jail.
    I'm not talking about burial sites. I'm talking about walking along the edge of a lake, and collecting points off the surface, or finding them out in the open. That isn't desecration of a site.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    This is a way governments now seize property. Those artifacts will not go back to the old man as it is his burden of proof that he legally had them - not the government's duty to prove he illegal acquired them.

    Does even one person believe the government will go put those artifacts back in the ground? Of course not. They will put them into a museum, making government jobs to run the museum, and then charge a fee for anyone to come look at them.

    Abandoned property and lost property that was ancient used to be whoever found it. If you found gold of an ancient shipwreck it was yours. Now it will be whatever government most can claim it was theirs.

    The fact is that now the government can take any possessions anyone has and there's nothing you can do about it. That is the bottom line reality.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This subject has me thinking and feeling guilty. While camping in the alcove in Utah I talked about earlier I ran across a pile of chipped stones while out on a hike one day. You could see where some Indian had sat and made arrowheads. There was a small pile of flaked off rock and a few misshapen arrowheads that he culled. It was really cool to imagine him sitting there doing that God only knows how long ago. I scooped the stones up and put them in my day pack. Now they are in a baggie somewhere I don't even know where. I should have left the stones there for someone else to find and marvel at but I was young and stupid, that's my only guilt ridden defense.
    Take them and do what you want with them. Skip them across a lake for all it matters.

    White people pretending this matters to Native Americans is this stupid guilt-trip thing that serves no value whatsoever. Digging up graves is one thing, but finding arrow heads? Sure, the white people government says those are all theirs so you dare not touch them. Do whatever you want with them. Sell them on Ebay. Display them on a wall. Doesn't mean anything at all.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Here's where the collector probably went public.
    He might have had a guest or guest over to his home, the guest might have seen the artifacts and known what they are or were.

    The collector could also have bragged about having this or that of a collection, and it doesn't take much to pick up a phone and call an authority.

    Authorities could also have been watching other collectors or gatherers of artifacts and did followups on leads.

    The authorities wouldn't say what they found because they don't know. Usually, experts need to determine what was found in the home.
    There's probably a supervisor in that region of the FBI whose wife collects Native American collectables and wants them for herself.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't know about this particular case but digging artifacts is a big business, big and illegal. It is just as illegal to buy these things as it is to dig and sell them. Years ago I found a dino skeleton fully exposed out in the middle of nowhere in Utah. I took a piece as a souvenir and now I feel bad about it. Someday I will return it to the tail and leave the skeleton intact. It was the coolest thing I ever found in my desert tramping.
    It isn't always illegal to dig and sell them. It depends on where you're digging, and who is buying. Back around 20 years ago, my husband and I used to go dig down in central Tx on private property, where you could pay a daily fee, and dig all you wanted. A year or two later, some archaeologists from one of the universities (iirc) dug the site as well. I have acquaintances who authenticate points for people who want to know that what they are buying is the real deal. I also have friends who make replica points and sell them.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There's probably a supervisor in that region of the FBI whose wife collects Native American collectables and wants them for herself.
    I'm thinking it one of his friends that visits his home or has visited his home, and the guy probably told that person, hey, don't tell anybody that I have this stuff.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm not talking about burial sites. I'm talking about walking along the edge of a lake, and collecting points off the surface, or finding them out in the open. That isn't desecration of a site.
    I wasn't talking about just burial sites, either. But don't worry, it's very difficult for the government to prove if an artifact is taken from federal land or even private property.

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