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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    From your article:



    Last I checked it was the FBI's job to enforce the law. Being old is not an excuse. And somehow I kinda doubt the FBI was terribly rough with the old guy.
    If they're going to raid the guy's house they better have a damned good idea of whether the stuff is legal or not. Armed 'fact finding' missions on the citizens is wholly unacceptable.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    Last I checked it was the FBI's job to enforce the law. Being old is not an excuse. And somehow I kinda doubt the FBI was terribly rough with the old guy.
    Sounds like a fishing expedition. Would you let the FBI into your house and make you prove where you got each and every item in your house?

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    No he hasn't been arrested or charged, but I don't think it's right that they are seizing artifacts that he's been collecting for 80 years. They are seizing it to determine if he broke a law?

    That doesn't seem right that they can do that. I understand that there are certain things that are not allowed to own, like moon rocks. But it's not like moon rocks have been laying all over the ground for the last several thousand years. He probably started collecting arrow heads when he was a little boy, and has done so for the rest of his life. I have a neighbor who collects all sorts of artifacts, and she has found a bullet and a piece of a belt buckle from the Civil War. Does she have to worry about stuff like that now?
    Sounds like the FBI will be behind Mike And Frank to see if all those hoarders got the stuff legally.

    If you bought something 50 years ago, and even worse from a friend, how can you prove where you got it, when or how?

    Yes it is guilty until proven innocent.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It is illegal to treasure hunt indian artifacts and the fact that this guy has so many is suspicious. Years ago we were camping in an alcove in Utah which was very cool. It had petroglyph's on the back wall and it was a kick to spend a few nights in an ancient dwelling. While digging a fire pit I cut a small piece of what looked like fishing line that I assumed some other camper left there as trash at some point. Turns out it was an alarm to guard against artifact hunters and it wasn't long until a BLM cop showed up. I had some splainin to do.
    When did that law go into effect?

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It was stolen property. Technically it belongs to the tribe of whatever area it came from.
    Really? How is that determined without the knowledge of how he obtained the item?

    Can the same be said for any piece of art from a certain country or dynasty?

    Should all Asian art be shipped back to the country of origin?

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    From the article it doesn't indicate how/why they had reasonable suspicion of illegal activity/possession to justify the search warrant. Assuming they had reasonable suspicion, I have no objection to the search. It is important to prevent theft of cultural artifacts.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    According to the fourth amendmen they may not do this without a warrant.

    Also according to the fourth the reasons they give are not justifications for issueing a warant.

    In fact deternmining what an object is etc seems to violate the fourth amendments requirement that particular item to be siezed must be described in a warrant.

    I must be missing the part where the FBI was enforcing the law in this one. The article makes it sound like they are breaking it
    The article isn't clear on whether they had a warrant or not. They should have had one.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    From the article it doesn't indicate how/why they had reasonable suspicion of illegal activity/possession to justify the search warrant. Assuming they had reasonable suspicion, I have no objection to the search. It is important to prevent theft of cultural artifacts.
    I don't consider it theft if the old guy has been walking around, picking up arrowheads off the ground for the last 80 years. If that's the case, every treasure hunter in the entire world has just been rendered unemployed, and a potential felon.
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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The FBI apparently are bored and needed something to do.
    They are just playing along with this PC political bull. What about the FACT that most of these artifacts were willfully sold and traded by the original owners for money? The FBI going to say that if you don't have a receipt you can't own an antique?

    This "tribe ownership" concept is nuts.

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    Re: FBI Seizes Thousands of Artifacts from rural Indiana Home

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It is illegal to treasure hunt indian artifacts and the fact that this guy has so many is suspicious. Years ago we were camping in an alcove in Utah which was very cool. It had petroglyph's on the back wall and it was a kick to spend a few nights in an ancient dwelling. While digging a fire pit I cut a small piece of what looked like fishing line that I assumed some other camper left there as trash at some point. Turns out it was an alarm to guard against artifact hunters and it wasn't long until a BLM cop showed up. I had some splainin to do.
    It is illegal on public land. Many artifacts are found on private land, especially in Indiana and Ohio. If I find it on my farm, it's mine. And if I sell it, it belongs to who I sell it to.

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