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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You may not like Aboutalebi's alleged past activities, although I don't see anyone suggesting he was a murderer, torturer, ethnic cleanser or any other stripes of human rights abuser. The US has granted, and continues to grant visas to every shade of despotic bastard who is permitted to work at the UN. What's special about this guy? Other than the fact that he provides Republicans with an opportunity for moral outrage and causes the White House a degree of diplomatic discomfort. Fake outrage is really no outrage at all.
    Mornin' AB .....so how does that work with Menendez who is the Chair Democrat and has been pushing back against Obama and his Team with what they have to say about Iran? Who was also responsible for leading the opposition over the bill for Sanctions on Iran.

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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

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    Mornin' AB .....so how does that work with Menendez who is the Chair Democrat and has been pushing back against Obama and his Team with what they have to say about Iran? Who was also responsible for leading the opposition over the bill for Sanctions on Iran.
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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    We can already deny a Visa. Why do we need to make up another law? Menendez isn't to happy about the way Team O is dealing with Iran. Think they will pass this law just to show Obama that his Pen wont work if they do it? What say ye?
    This might be more of a kind of turf battle for power between the Legislative and Executive branches that periodically emerges than concern about dealing with deficiencies in existing law. The Executive Branch already possesses the authority to deny persons entry into the U.S., including diplomats, through its management of visas.

    For some in Congress, leaving such discretion with the Executive Branch is not sufficient, as the outcome of its exercise of such authority might not always be consistent with the wishes of those Members of Congress. Hence, there is the questioning e.g., by Senator McCain, as to whether new laws are needed. Those laws, of course, would chip away at the Executive Branch's discretionary authority rather than create new legal authority.

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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    What prevents the US from not recognizing Abutalebi's diplomatic immunity and arresting him as soon as he lands at the airport in NY? The UN and Iran can scream all they want.
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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Afternoon MMC!

    Well, I guess Reps aren't the only ones prepared to court populism.
    Yeah I think you are Right.....seems the Demos have been on a roll with it, the past 4 years. But its all coming to a stop now. But really Menendez was the first to talk about not trusting the Iranians and told Obama so himself. Naturally Obama did the usual and wouldn't listen. Then menendez reached out to Mark Kirk for the Repubs and they got that bill put together quick like. Quick enough for Obama to respond with his rationale that it could make the Iranians walk away from the talks.

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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
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    So in your mind a crime can justify another crime?



    Do you know that the quoran says that a virgin woman cannot be executed?

    May sound somewhat like a useless fact, but wait...

    Whe in Iran a unmarried woman is sentenced to death, a member of the revolutionary guard gets permission to rape her before her execution.

    Just one amongst the many uncivilised things going wrong in this country.

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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah I think you are Right.....seems the Demos have been on a roll with it, the past 4 years. But its all coming to a stop now. But really Menendez was the first to talk about not trusting the Iranians and told Obama so himself. Naturally Obama did the usual and wouldn't listen. Then menendez reached out to Mark Kirk for the Repubs and they got that bill put together quick like. Quick enough for Obama to respond with his rationale that it could make the Iranians walk away from the talks.
    But the Russian's are key to the talks and inspections in Iran -- wasn't that pooch already screwed given Crimea, sanctions and the troops surrounding the Ukraine?
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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    [COLOR="#800000"] Quick enough for Obama to respond with his rationale that it could make the Iranians walk away from the talks.
    Which one doesn't have to be too cynical to recognise as the real objective in this game - to wreck any possible peace moves between the US and Iran.
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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You may not like Aboutalebi's alleged past activities, although I don't see anyone suggesting he was a murderer, torturer, ethnic cleanser or any other stripes of human rights abuser. The US has granted, and continues to grant visas to every shade of despotic bastard who is permitted to work at the UN. What's special about this guy? Other than the fact that he provides Republicans with an opportunity for moral outrage and causes the White House a degree of diplomatic discomfort. Fake outrage is really no outrage at all.
    In general, when countries assign diplomats, they should at least consider the sensitivies of the countries to which they send their diplomats. While Mr. Abutalebi did not play a role in taking or holding the hostages, assuming the news account is accurate, he was still part of a group that seized the American Embassy. Understandably, many Americans have serious reservations about his being appointed to a role that would bring him to the U.S. All in all, this might not be a huge deal and Mr. Abutalebi might well be a qualified diplomat, but Iran's appointments does provide fresh evidence that Iran does not take American sensitivies into consideration. On the larger geopolitical front, such conduct may raise questions as to whether Iran is truly serious about accommodating international needs with respect to its nuclear activities. Even as some progress has been made, reinforced doubts can create barriers to further diplomatic progress.

    Finally, as for the State Department's visa decision, a lot will probably depend on just what role Mr. Abutalebi played in the protests, did he have knowledge that the U.S. Embassy would be seized, did he support those activities, how have his positions evolved since then, among other background factors that are typically part of the decision making process. Not having access to that kind of information, I reserve judgment on that matter and trust that the Department of State will make a professional and informed decision.

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    Re: Lawmakers outraged over Iran U.N. choice, seek change in law.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    But the Russian's are key to the talks and inspections in Iran -- wasn't that pooch already screwed given Crimea, sanctions and the troops surrounding the Ukraine?
    Mornin' Ockham. Well I guess Putin assured Obama that all would still go forward. I hope they pin him down on any open worded statements like that one. I would be and what do you mean by all will still go forward?!

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