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Oregon Gov. hopeful links gay marriage with murder

Ok...so then we will make murder, theft, and lying legal?

You're not seriously under the impression that the bible is the only reason to make laws against those things, are you?

Well. Except lying. That's legal, I don't know if anyone told you.
 
Riiigggghhhtttt... in a thread that starts by calling a Christian who repeats her beliefs in public a derogatory name, I am playing a victimization card for pointing it out? Whatever.

No, that's not where the victim card came out.
 
FACT: The view that homosexuality is a sin comes from right wing extremists who also happen to be Christian as they wave their book of fairy tales at others. Not wanting that bull**** in my government is consistent with the separation of church and state. So you will have to forgive me if I am less than kind about it. If it was up to you hardcore righties we would all be in church during the week and six times on Sunday. Thank you no.

Don't you think that we feel the same way? Do you think we want to be forced to recognize (and in some cases participate in) a bastardized version of a ceremony and institution that is deeply rooted in our beliefs?
 
Don't you think that we feel the same way? Do you think we want to be forced to recognize (and in some cases participate in) a bastardized version of a ceremony and institution that is deeply rooted in our beliefs?

Nobody is forcing you to recognize anything, attend anything, or approve of anything. You get to have whatever opinion you feel like having, nobody is talking about making your opinion illegal.
 
Don't you think that we feel the same way? Do you think we want to be forced to recognize (and in some cases participate in) a bastardized version of a ceremony and institution that is deeply rooted in our beliefs?

No I do not. I believe the only thing important to right wingnuts is to suppress. judge and punish those different than themselves.
 
He thinks his religion is the only source of morality or any basis of law.

Of course he does. He believes that those who think differently can't behave in a decent moral manner. There's a word for that.
 
Is this like defining racism as noticing someone's race, so that everyone is supposedly a racist and ones own bigotry is excused? It sounds just like it.

Not at all. if you are going to say you are tolerant of other peoples views but then turn around and call people bigots for expressing a view not in line with yours that doesn't make you to tolerant.

in this case we have someone claiming that someone is associating gay marriage with murder and they aren't. She is religious and her view says both are sin in which she would be correct.

people are calling her a bigot for her religious view points. yet their intolerance of her religious views makes them a religious bigot. basically they are the same thing they say they detest.

if you are going to say you are tolerant and open minded then call people names that do not agree with your ideology then you are anything but tolerant and open minded.
 
Nobody is forcing you to recognize anything, attend anything, or approve of anything. You get to have whatever opinion you feel like having, nobody is talking about making your opinion illegal.

Tell that to the photographer in NM or the florist in OR. Not to mention the countless HR reps and business owners that must provide benefits to and recognize the marriage that is contrary to their beliefs.
 
Not at all. if you are going to say you are tolerant of other peoples views but then turn around and call people bigots for expressing a view not in line with yours that doesn't make you to tolerant.

in this case we have someone claiming that someone is associating gay marriage with murder and they aren't. She is religious and her view says both are sin in which she would be correct.

people are calling her a bigot for her religious view points. yet their intolerance of her religious views makes them a religious bigot. basically they are the same thing they say they detest.

if you are going to say you are tolerant and open minded then call people names that do not agree with your ideology then you are anything but tolerant and open minded.

You are treating "tolerant" as if it's a binary, as if being tolerant means you tolerate absolutely anything that anyone ever does.

This is a stupid thing to do.
 
No I do not. I believe the only thing important to right wingnuts is to suppress. judge and punish those different than themselves.

No one is being suppressed.
 
Tell that to the photographer in NM or the florist in OR. Not to mention the countless HR reps and business owners that must provide benefits to and recognize the marriage that is contrary to their beliefs.

And pilots who aren't allowed to place a sign on the aircraft door that says "NO JEWS ALLOWED."
 
Why wont they tolerate my intolerance? :cry:

Is it weird living in a world where tolerating anything means you must tolerate everything?

that is what tolerance is.

the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.
 
Not at all. if you are going to say you are tolerant of other peoples views but then turn around and call people bigots for expressing a view not in line with yours that doesn't make you to tolerant.

in this case we have someone claiming that someone is associating gay marriage with murder and they aren't. She is religious and her view says both are sin in which she would be correct.

people are calling her a bigot for her religious view points. yet their intolerance of her religious views makes them a religious bigot. basically they are the same thing they say they detest.

if you are going to say you are tolerant and open minded then call people names that do not agree with your ideology then you are anything but tolerant and open minded.

You don't understand that not everything must be tolerated? Is someone who does not tolerate rape intolerant? That's stupid. Stupidity is what happens when people cling to absolutes.

Give up your absolutes, or you will never have decent logic and reason.
 
Yes they are.

No, they aren't. Same way I can't put up a sign that says "NO BLACKS."

But you want to open that door. You want it to be legal for businesses to kick out Christians.
 
You don't understand that not everything must be tolerated? Is someone who does not tolerate rape intolerant? That's stupid. Stupidity is what happens when people cling to absolutes.

Give up your absolutes, or you will never have decent logic and reason.

no what is stupid is bringing an action which is rape into a discussion about someone's personal view points.
apples and oranges and a huge friggen strawman.

the definition of tolerance.

the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.

if you don't like the definition that is not my problem.
 
no what is stupid is bringing an action which is rape into a discussion about someone's personal view points.
apples and oranges and a huge friggen strawman.

the definition of tolerance.

the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.

if you don't like the definition that is not my problem.

One need not tolerate racist homophobic scumbags. Who told you otherwise?
 
Topcat- so your justification for violating the first amendment rights of millions is" its already happening?" That's pretty weak.
 
One need not tolerate racist homophobic scumbags. Who told you otherwise?

Nothing is funnier than when intolerant people don't understand what "intolerance" means, and attempt to turn it around. It's like people who unironically use science in an attempt to debunk science.
 
Don't you think that we feel the same way? Do you think we want to be forced to recognize (and in some cases participate in) a bastardized version of a ceremony and institution that is deeply rooted in our beliefs?

You don't get to decide what is right based on your religious beliefs. It is based upon laws. Those laws are not about religion.
 
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