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Erod said:
There is far greater gun violence in Illinois than Texas, and they have gun laws.

By the way, soldiers are not allowed to carry guns at Fort Hood. Perhaps that's the problem.
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Actually, to be honest, there is far greater gun violence in Cook County, Illinois. We don't all identify with "The City" (you know you are from Illinois when you call Chicago "The City").
 
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Top Cat said:
That's why I highlighted his ambien usage in my post. That **** does crazy things to some people.
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Right, Look at the side effect and interactions with just this one drug.

Ambien Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com

I had some friends a while back that took Ambien and drank a bunch of alcohol on the weekends. They don't remember much of what they did.
 
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Ikari said:
....so I'm not safe? What do we need? More surveillance? I bet that works!
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You need to arm yourself if you're not already. No amount of help or surveillance from the government is going to make a difference
 
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WCH said:
You need to arm yourself if you're not already. No amount of help or surveillance from the government is going to make a difference
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Cant arm yourself in a "gun free" shooting barrel.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Both shooting happened at Ft Hood. Both were soldier on soldier. Lopez has a Muslim name...........you do the math.
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:rofl Thanks for brining a bit of levity into the thread.
 
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VanceMack said:
There are tons of articles out there. It really becomes an apples to oranges to watermelons game though. Why did they snap? What was their disorder before they snapped and what role did the meds play in the snapping.

School Shootings and Psychiatric drugs federal investigation overdue | CCHR International
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My Wife says a lot of these drugs make you constipated. After a few days of that mixed with feeling of depression, thinking about suicide, constant confusion or sleeplessness, etc. BOOM!
 
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Top Cat said:
Ivan Lopez, the Fort Hood gunman 'being treated for PTSD' | Mail Online

This has been widely reported.
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I don't turn on the news for events like this. They spend 24 hours discussing it, not really telling us anything, and spend 30 minutes giving us their BS political views that don't matter. The media are sharks when it comes to this stuff. They smell blood and cause panic.

But that is interesting. Can these drugs be linked to other incidents I wonder? I mean that is insane.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Actually, to be honest, there is far greater gun violence in Cook County, Illinois. We don't all identify with "The City" (you know you are from Illinois when you call Chicago "The City").
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Fair enough. I certainly don't mean to demean the fine people of Jacksonville, Peoria, or Evanston.
 
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VanceMack said:
There are tons of articles out there. It really becomes an apples to oranges to watermelons game though. Why did they snap? What was their disorder before they snapped and what role did the meds play in the snapping.

School Shootings and Psychiatric drugs federal investigation overdue | CCHR International
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Yep. Some people have been saying it and saying it. There is a strong correlation between psychotropic drugs and aggressive behavior/mass shootings/suicide. The mainstream media largely ignores this probably because of the high advertising revenue they receive from the bazillion dollar Big Pharma industry. For whatever reason MSM has not followed the very strong connection.

For my money psychotropic drugs would be the lead I'd follow. But I'd put my real money on the federal government doing next to nothing about the drug connection. If there is a serious government investigation into psychotropic drugs and aggression, mass murder and/or suicide look for it to be conducted with Big Pharma playing a major role; look for it to take years; look for the results to be next to worthless. Oligarchy don't cotton to the masses feckin with their cash and control cows.

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Think media is back pedaling away from the psychotropic drug connection to mass shootings?

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Risky Thicket said:
Yep. Some people have been saying it and saying it. There is a strong correlation between psychotropic drugs and aggressive behavior/mass shootings/suicide. The mainstream media largely ignores this probably because of the high advertising revenue they receive from the bazillion dollar Big Pharma industry. For whatever reason MSM has not followed the very strong connection.

For my money psychotropic drugs would be the lead I'd follow. But I'd put my real money on the federal government doing next to nothing about the drug connection. If there is a serious government investigation into psychotropic drugs and aggression, mass murder and/or suicide look for it to be conducted with Big Pharma playing a major role; look for it to take years; look for the results to be next to worthless. Oligarchy don't cotton to the masses feckin with their cash and control cows.

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The underlying problem is that pills are thrown at people as a magic cure all at the drop of a hat. No doubt...SOME people NEED them, if for no other reason than to get them stabilized so that therapy can be effective. But if I was a betting man I would say that 70% at least of kids on medication are the wrong ones in their families being medicated. ****ty Parent Syndrome is a mean disease. So is Crappy Life Syndrome. Throwing pills at things wont fix everything.

A lot of our soldier are misdiagnosed as well. Half of our suicides involve people that have never been deployed. Most of them that I have worked with and have been diagnosed with a combat related disorder had some element of CLS before they ever even joined the service. Having a cute pink cheeked college intern sitting across from at the VA and explaining to them why the Soldier is so screwed up doesnt really help either.

Bah...dont get me started...
 
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VanceMack said:
The underlying problem is that pills are thrown at people as a magic cure all at the drop of a hat. No doubt...SOME people NEED them, if for no other reason than to get them stabilized so that therapy can be effective. But if I was a betting man I would say that 70% at least of kids on medication are the wrong ones in their families being medicated. ****ty Parent Syndrome is a mean disease. So is Crappy Life Syndrome. Throwing pills at things wont fix everything.

A lot of our soldier are misdiagnosed as well. Half of our suicides involve people that have never been deployed. Most of them that I have worked with and have been diagnosed with a combat related disorder had some element of CLS before they ever even joined the service. Having a cute pink cheeked college intern sitting across from at the VA and explaining to them why the Soldier is so screwed up doesnt really help either.

Bah...dont get me started...
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Another significant part of the problem, in my opinion, is that combat troops are being treated by people who have never been in the service, muchless set foot on a battlefield.
 
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Erod said:
Fair enough. I certainly don't mean to demean the fine people of Jacksonville, Peoria, or Evanston.
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Or Fox Lake Hills. We are mostly suburban with a rural flair. The folks that have moved out from the city still think it is the country . . . but I always remember when it really was. It will be concrete from Chicago to Milwaukee with a 60-mile ring before you know it. I appreciate you knowing the majority of us don't shoot people . . . even in Chicago. It is definitely a small geographical area of a big city in a big state. Detroit isn't Michigan by a long shot as well.
 
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WCH said:
According to many military family members,
they give out these drugs like candy for all sorts of reasons not necessarily just for mental issues.
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This one hits home, knowing my Dad was originally started on Lithium before Ativan and the others came along.
And who is to know patients are NOT drinking before they take this medicine, no matter the precautions?
If this is true, they are playing with fire and all these suicides and killings we hear about may be caused by this practice.
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These are the types of quality comments that are needed to solve a very real problem that affects so many.
This is a problem that Internet posters can help solve, one action at a time .
 
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APACHERAT said:
Since when ?

I believe since the 1990's.

Just a couple months ago the Commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. Amos issued a directive or an order that all company, battery or squadron Duty NCO's will be under arms with loaded magazines from now on 24/7.

Back in the Old Corps I can remember while in Staging Bat. going into the PX at Las Pulgas to get a pack of smokes while carrying my M-16.

After Nam when I was with the 5th MAB at Pendleton it was common when coming back from being in the field to stop off at the PX to get some smokes and a chili dog and a coke from the vending machines that were at the PX while under arms.

Once while at 29 Stumps during the summer it was 112 degrees and we just humped seven miles across the desert in the blazing heat. As soon as we got back to camp instead of cleaning our pistols me and another Sergeant went straight to the NCO Club while under arms, I ordered a pitcher of iced water while my buddy ordered a pitcher of beer.

Under a gun free zone today I don't think any of the above would have been allowed.
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There were very few places we had to clear a weapon, when under arms, while on duty at any of the military bases I was stationed at. Most clinics and hospitals. Churches, unless you are there under duty requirement, and just prior to entering the armory or jail/brig. However, it should be noted that in the States, there are probably only a small percentage of people armed at any given time unless you are Military Police, on Guard Duty at a security specific spot, or at the range. Even overseas with the exception of war zones, you don't find many people armed.

I come from a time when drinking and smoking (except those left handed cigarettes) were almost encouraged, but I don't remember going to the club packing a .45. Getting back from the field and going to the club while armed seems to be a failure of command, not a common occurrence. When we came back from the field we TI'd vehicles and cleaned weapons before we were allowed to go to the latrine.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
Was this specialist even a veteran of a war?
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Iraq. Apparently he was the victim of an IED and suffered a head injury, which caused his mental health problems, which is why he was at Fort Hood in the first place.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I buy the war related PTSD and depression, however, America was far more at war during the last decade, from 2002 on, than it is in the last 5 years. Perhaps the problems take time to fester and explode, I don't know - but I can't believe it's that simple. Perhaps, it's a matter of the "disease" being recognized and treated more within the military itself and not after discharge - maybe previously soldiers exhibiting such symptoms were simply discharged and if they exploded it was in civilian life and not on a military base where they are now being treated. As well, it could just be a matter of more soldiers coming home and the readjustment affects some adversely. My point was simply that there needs to be more serious thought given, within the military, to what is happening and how to combat it.

As for the recent purchase of the gun used by this soldier, I'm not a "lefty" nor am I anti-gun, but it seems to me that gun advocates have been saying all along that more needs to be done to stop the mentally ill from purchasing and having access to guns as opposed to full scale registration, capacity limits, etc. As such, this soldier by all accounts was suffering from and being treated for a mental illness yet a background check failed to flag that fact. If the military can't find a way to flag their own personnel with mental illness concerns within the government background checking system how is it ever going to be possible to identify any other individuals who have mental illness?
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It's government, they're bad at doing anything efficiently, least of all the military. There's simply no way to stop a 'prohibited person' from buying a gun, even in Canada. The best solution is to empower everyone else.
 
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WCH said:
Done.

A Brief History of Psychotropic Drugs Prescribed to Mass Murderers | Los Alamos Daily Post
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whats sad is that extremely few ever suffer such side effects,but those extreme few can cause massive damage to others and themselves.the solution needs to be tighter control and monitoring of anti depressants,there are numerous anti depressants,some fair better with some people while others may make things worse,but doctors need to monitor their patients for reactions to medications,and adjust or switch medications if needed,rather than the throw pills at it mentality,.
 
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VanceMack said:
The underlying problem is that pills are thrown at people as a magic cure all at the drop of a hat. No doubt...SOME people NEED them, if for no other reason than to get them stabilized so that therapy can be effective. But if I was a betting man I would say that 70% at least of kids on medication are the wrong ones in their families being medicated. ****ty Parent Syndrome is a mean disease. So is Crappy Life Syndrome. Throwing pills at things wont fix everything.

A lot of our soldier are misdiagnosed as well. Half of our suicides involve people that have never been deployed. Most of them that I have worked with and have been diagnosed with a combat related disorder had some element of CLS before they ever even joined the service. Having a cute pink cheeked college intern sitting across from at the VA and explaining to them why the Soldier is so screwed up doesnt really help either.

Bah...dont get me started...
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Man . . . I agree I you 100%. Too many believe in the magic pill and too many do not know how to advocate their own care. I specifically focused in on your comment about the "college intern" syndrome located at damn near every VA facility in America. That is why guys with experience with the system need to be there to advocate for our great assets as they return to civilian life or life in the states. I truly believe I know more about Title 38 law than most of the counselors and even the reps from the service organizations like the VFW and the DAV. I needed to learn it out of necessity however, and was blessed to have the means to stay afloat until all became well.

The unfortunate fact is that most of our veterans are never educated fully in what is due them, and how to jump through the hoops required to finally get settled. Once in, things usually go well . . . it's getting in, and having the problem recognized that seems to be the hard part. For a long time the perception of those filing claims has been:
1. Expect that they will deny you after a year or two wait in the claim process.
2. Expect another long delay in the re-adjudication process.
3. Expect to get tired of waiting and just go away.

Active duty members live with the stigma, to this day, that you are somehow weak when looking for help in the Head Shrinking Department of the clinic.

It is a shame, because the actual medical care I receive . . . is top notch.
 
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WCH said:
Right, Look at the side effect and interactions with just this one drug.

Ambien Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com

I had some friends a while back that took Ambien and drank a bunch of alcohol on the weekends. They don't remember much of what they did.
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towards the end of my deployment in afghanistan,i saw the tmc for sleep problems.i had wierd nightmares over there that ended after i left,and i later found out it was because the heavy amounts of lead and mercury in the dust we were breathing.

but i got started with hydroxyzine,which caused me to hallucinate,i went back asking for a different medication,and they told me to double down on it.i decided not to fight it that day did what they said,it made things worse,not only was i not sleeping,i was seeing things that werent there that kept me up even longer.

then they prescribed me ambien,which for me was like taking lsd the hallucinations were so bad,they did the same told me to double it,nade it worse.after that they gavev me both ambien and hydroxyzine and said take both,and by unforseeable luck the two cancelled eachother out,and i slept good.


but sadly the army had numerous sleep pills available,but kept giving me the same meds that were causing problems,literally knowing they were causing them.
 
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beerftw said:
towards the end of my deployment in afghanistan,i saw the tmc for sleep problems.i had wierd nightmares over there that ended after i left,and i later found out it was because the heavy amounts of lead and mercury in the dust we were breathing.

but i got started with hydroxyzine,which caused me to hallucinate,i went back asking for a different medication,and they told me to double down on it.i decided not to fight it that day did what they said,it made things worse,not only was i not sleeping,i was seeing things that werent there that kept me up even longer.

then they prescribed me ambien,which for me was like taking lsd the hallucinations were so bad,they did the same told me to double it,nade it worse.after that they gavev me both ambien and hydroxyzine and said take both,and by unforseeable luck the two cancelled eachother out,and i slept good.


but sadly the army had numerous sleep pills available,but kept giving me the same meds that were causing problems,literally knowing they were causing them.
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And people want this same government running healthcare :)
 
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