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In this case its war-related PTSD & depression. What's going on in the military you ask? War. Thats what.

On a related note, SPC Ivan didn't register the .45cal pistol he used in the shooting, so lefties, tell us again how registration and capacity limits are about 'saftey'.

Was this specialist even a veteran of a war? Haven't looked into it, but my years as an NCO have taught me that specialists do the dumbest of things for little to no reason.
 
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Was this specialist even a veteran of a war? Haven't looked into it, but my years as an NCO have taught me that specialists do the dumbest of things for little to no reason.

Yea, many of us have hard lives. We man up and don't kill others. Sissy killed himself and others "cause he couldn't handle life". Period.
But that's what they get for letting in every loser to put bodies in uniform to fight bull**** wars.
 
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Was this specialist even a veteran of a war? Haven't looked into it, but my years as an NCO have taught me that specialists do the dumbest of things for little to no reason.

My daughter, who works as a civilian on post, told me this morning that she recognized the shooter. She 'in-processed' him in Feb. [apparently from 4 months in Iraq]
 
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In this case its war-related PTSD & depression. What's going on in the military you ask? War. Thats what.

On a related note, SPC Ivan didn't register the .45cal pistol he used in the shooting, so lefties, tell us again how registration and capacity limits are about 'saftey'.

I buy the war related PTSD and depression, however, America was far more at war during the last decade, from 2002 on, than it is in the last 5 years. Perhaps the problems take time to fester and explode, I don't know - but I can't believe it's that simple. Perhaps, it's a matter of the "disease" being recognized and treated more within the military itself and not after discharge - maybe previously soldiers exhibiting such symptoms were simply discharged and if they exploded it was in civilian life and not on a military base where they are now being treated. As well, it could just be a matter of more soldiers coming home and the readjustment affects some adversely. My point was simply that there needs to be more serious thought given, within the military, to what is happening and how to combat it.

As for the recent purchase of the gun used by this soldier, I'm not a "lefty" nor am I anti-gun, but it seems to me that gun advocates have been saying all along that more needs to be done to stop the mentally ill from purchasing and having access to guns as opposed to full scale registration, capacity limits, etc. As such, this soldier by all accounts was suffering from and being treated for a mental illness yet a background check failed to flag that fact. If the military can't find a way to flag their own personnel with mental illness concerns within the government background checking system how is it ever going to be possible to identify any other individuals who have mental illness?
 
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The guy saw no action in Iraq, so the PTSD angle is a bit hollow. I'll bet these issues were apparent long before he even joined the military.

It's one of the inherent issues of America, in that you can't be preemptive whatsoever about these things. You have to wait for someone to do something bad before you can do anything about it.

It does seem this guy should have been screened better before allowing him in the military.
 
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Both shooting happened at Ft Hood. Both were soldier on soldier. Lopez has a Muslim name...........you do the math.

Lopez is a Muslim name? What about Smith and Jones?

Honestly, this is insane. How ironic.
 
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Both shooting happened at Ft Hood. Both were soldier on soldier. Lopez has a Muslim name...........you do the math.

Which part of Ivan Lopez's name is the Muslim part?
 
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If the Air Force can have an Air Force base without a runway, can't the Army have a base for those with psychiatric issues on a base without weapons?

And just how are you going to keep weapons off base?
 
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Obama will caall it work place violence or like in Benghazi a ****ing video....

And in all likelihood that is what this is. If we have more info that says differently, then we change that opinion. But until then, this appears to be "work place violence".
 
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What in the world does that have to do this shooting?

Just typical NP using a tragic event to go on one of his right-wing political rants. Nothing new.
 
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Which part of Ivan Lopez's name is the Muslim part?

Typical Navy nonsense. Less than .1% of Puerto Rico is Muslim.

(CNN) -- [Breaking news alert, 10:05 a.m.]
Fort Hood shooter Ivan Lopez was undergoing a variety of treatments for conditions including depression, anxiety and sleep disturbances, Army Secretary John McHugh told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday. Prescribed drugs included Ambien, he said. Lopez was fully examined last month by a psychiatrist, McHugh said. There was no record that there was any sign he was likely to commit violence either against himself or others, "so the plan (going) forward was just to continue to monitor and treat him as deemed appropriate," he said.
Lopez had two deployments, including a four-month deployment to Iraq as a truck driver, McHugh said. His records "show no wounds, no direct involvement in combat ... or any injury that might lead us to further investigate battle-related TBI (traumatic brain injury)." Lopez is a native of Puerto Rico, enlisted in the Army in June 2008 as an infantry soldier, later becoming a truck driver, McHugh said.

Fort Hood shooter, an Iraq vet, was treated for mental illness - CNN.com
 
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In this case its war-related PTSD & depression. What's going on in the military you ask? War. Thats what.

On a related note, SPC Ivan didn't register the .45cal pistol he used in the shooting, so lefties, tell us again how registration and capacity limits are about 'saftey'.

This troop deployed to Iraq for four months, in 2011. There was something wrong with him before he deployed.
 
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That there has been numerous of shootings aboard military installations in the past five years and they didn't happen before.

It has happened before. Back before the Internet and social media it happened, you just did not hear about it. Back in 1978 or 1979, I can't remember what year exactly, but there was a range shooting when I was stationed in Korea . . . a few guys were killed. When I was in Okinawa back in 1984, I treated Marines shot up in a Armory shooting, thankfully no one was killed.

Back in the 1970's we use to say Korea was the best kept secret of the U.S. Army as it related to guys being sent home in body bags because of "Accidents".
 
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This troop deployed to Iraq for four months, in 2011. There was something wrong with him before he deployed.

Different people handle things differently. My SIL drove a truck for his first two of four Iraq tours. He said that he was much more afraid driving the truck because many times he had to cross no-man's-land to get from one safe haven to another. The stress of driving a target (fuel transport) truck around weighed heavily upon him.

He's doing fine today, or at least he says that he's fine. This Lopez dead guy probably said that he was fine too.
 
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Ahahaha Navy Pride! This guy is great!
 
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Different people handle things differently. My SIL drove a truck for his first two of four Iraq tours. He said that he was much more afraid driving the truck because many times he had to cross no-man's-land to get from one safe haven to another. The stress of driving a target (fuel transport) truck around weighed heavily upon him.

He's doing fine today, or at least he says that he's fine. This Lopez dead guy probably said that he was fine too.

OK, but that's hardly PSTD. That's just someone not cut out for anything with risk whatsoever. Certainly shouldn't be in the military.

This guy had issues long before Iraq.
 
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Different people handle things differently. My SIL drove a truck for his first two of four Iraq tours. He said that he was much more afraid driving the truck because many times he had to cross no-man's-land to get from one safe haven to another. The stress of driving a target (fuel transport) truck around weighed heavily upon him.

He's doing fine today, or at least he says that he's fine. This Lopez dead guy probably said that he was fine too.

This was an E-4 and had 15 years in service. He was a nutjob.
 
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This was an E-4 and had 15 years in service. He was a nutjob.

His rank after 15 years time-in-grade is pitiful. That does seem to indicate that he had lots of problems prior to yesterday's shooting.
 
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This was an E-4 and had 15 years in service. He was a nutjob.

There are nut jobs everywhere but, this one and most of the shooters lately were on one or more psychotropic (sp) drugs. This is where the investigation should begin.
IMO
 
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There are nut jobs everywhere but, this one and most of the shooters lately were on one or more psychotropic (sp) drugs. This is where the investigation should begin.
IMO

Really? Can you provide source material? Name the drugs? Not to be a bother, but I have wondered this myself. People DON'T snap. They have patterns of mental illness. They have patterns that indicate that they are unstable. The question is what makes them unstable?
 
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I buy the war related PTSD and depression, however, America was far more at war during the last decade, from 2002 on, than it is in the last 5 years. Perhaps the problems take time to fester and explode, I don't know - but I can't believe it's that simple. Perhaps, it's a matter of the "disease" being recognized and treated more within the military itself and not after discharge - maybe previously soldiers exhibiting such symptoms were simply discharged and if they exploded it was in civilian life and not on a military base where they are now being treated. As well, it could just be a matter of more soldiers coming home and the readjustment affects some adversely. My point was simply that there needs to be more serious thought given, within the military, to what is happening and how to combat it.

As for the recent purchase of the gun used by this soldier, I'm not a "lefty" nor am I anti-gun, but it seems to me that gun advocates have been saying all along that more needs to be done to stop the mentally ill from purchasing and having access to guns as opposed to full scale registration, capacity limits, etc. As such, this soldier by all accounts was suffering from and being treated for a mental illness yet a background check failed to flag that fact. If the military can't find a way to flag their own personnel with mental illness concerns within the government background checking system how is it ever going to be possible to identify any other individuals who have mental illness?

Well you have hit a very important concept that isn't often discussed, and my guess is because politicians don't care. They can't win political points by showing the downfalls of the "system."

We have an ACTUAL crisis on our hands, not the obamacare nightmare, but the fact that we can't figure out who to treat and why when it comes to mental health. We have so many people that fall through the cracks in our system that it is only a matter of time till one of the ones that falls through is a danger to others...and not just themselves.

Of course we all know that guns are the hot topic. There is a long standing tradition on trying to implement new laws, but what you hit on is what cannot be denied. We have the law. We don't implement it. We can't. It will never work, not until we can actually flag the people who need to be flagged.
 
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Well you have hit a very important concept that isn't often discussed, and my guess is because politicians don't care. They can't win political points by showing the downfalls of the "system."

We have an ACTUAL crisis on our hands, not the obamacare nightmare, but the fact that we can't figure out who to treat and why when it comes to mental health. We have so many people that fall through the cracks in our system that it is only a matter of time till one of the ones that falls through is a danger to others...and not just themselves.

Of course we all know that guns are the hot topic. There is a long standing tradition on trying to implement new laws, but what you hit on is what cannot be denied. We have the law. We don't implement it. We can't. It will never work, not until we can actually flag the people who need to be flagged.

This is not just an American issue - we have the same type of problems here in Canada related to mental illness, detention and treatment. The pendulum swing from virtually permanent institutionalization to virtually no institutionalization during the latter parts of the last century has left thousands of truly dangerous and untreated mentally ill people on the streets of most of North America's big cities. There has to be some middle ground but civil libertarians seem to be ruling the day at this point in time.
 
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It has happened before. Back before the Internet and social media it happened, you just did not hear about it. Back in 1978 or 1979, I can't remember what year exactly, but there was a range shooting when I was stationed in Korea . . . a few guys were killed. When I was in Okinawa back in 1984, I treated Marines shot up in a Armory shooting, thankfully no one was killed.

Back in the 1970's we use to say Korea was the best kept secret of the U.S. Army as it related to guys being sent home in body bags because of "Accidents".

I would say that the dirty little secret on Okinawa is the best kept secret. A problem that the Navy and Marine corps couldn't take care of for over sixty years. They could of taken care of the problem but the left would have gone totally berserk.

There has always been homicides in the military but only a fraction compared to the civilian world. What I'm saying I don't remember mass shootings taking place on military installations where scores are murdered and wounded.

The first mass shooting at Fort Hood was a terrorist attack and could have been prevented but political correctness prevented the military from preventing the attack.

The recent shooting at the Washington DC Navy Yard could have been prevented if Marines were doing what their mission is, to protect Navy property and personnel. But nope, that job has been given to civilians. The same is true on Army post where civilians now do the law enforcement on bases.

There was just another incident where a civilian military cop was disarmed by someone on a naval base who used the weapon to murder a sailor. No ****ing way would you hear of a Marine being disarmed.

Here's an interesting study. They break it down. Four homosexual rape-murders in the Air Force in a ten year span. :eek:
The study covers 1981 to 1991. Why they picked the Air Force ? I don't know. I would guess the Air Force homicide rates are lower than the other branches of the services. But the article is interesting and worth looking at.

https://ke.army.mil/bordeninstitute/published.../military.../MPch6.pdf
 
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