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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Fort Hood shooting: Psychiatric issues 'fundamental underlying causal factor'
    Fort Hood shooting: Psychiatric issues 'underlying causal factor' - CNN.com

    No doubt Navy will be along shortly to apologize. ha ha

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    whats sad is that extremely few ever suffer such side effects,but those extreme few can cause massive damage to others and themselves.the solution needs to be tighter control and monitoring of anti depressants,there are numerous anti depressants,some fair better with some people while others may make things worse,but doctors need to monitor their patients for reactions to medications,and adjust or switch medications if needed,rather than the throw pills at it mentality,.
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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The underlying problem is that pills are thrown at people as a magic cure all at the drop of a hat. No doubt...SOME people NEED them, if for no other reason than to get them stabilized so that therapy can be effective. But if I was a betting man I would say that 70% at least of kids on medication are the wrong ones in their families being medicated. ****ty Parent Syndrome is a mean disease. So is Crappy Life Syndrome. Throwing pills at things wont fix everything.

    A lot of our soldier are misdiagnosed as well. Half of our suicides involve people that have never been deployed. Most of them that I have worked with and have been diagnosed with a combat related disorder had some element of CLS before they ever even joined the service. Having a cute pink cheeked college intern sitting across from at the VA and explaining to them why the Soldier is so screwed up doesnt really help either.

    Bah...dont get me started...
    Man . . . I agree I you 100%. Too many believe in the magic pill and too many do not know how to advocate their own care. I specifically focused in on your comment about the "college intern" syndrome located at damn near every VA facility in America. That is why guys with experience with the system need to be there to advocate for our great assets as they return to civilian life or life in the states. I truly believe I know more about Title 38 law than most of the counselors and even the reps from the service organizations like the VFW and the DAV. I needed to learn it out of necessity however, and was blessed to have the means to stay afloat until all became well.

    The unfortunate fact is that most of our veterans are never educated fully in what is due them, and how to jump through the hoops required to finally get settled. Once in, things usually go well . . . it's getting in, and having the problem recognized that seems to be the hard part. For a long time the perception of those filing claims has been:
    1. Expect that they will deny you after a year or two wait in the claim process.
    2. Expect another long delay in the re-adjudication process.
    3. Expect to get tired of waiting and just go away.

    Active duty members live with the stigma, to this day, that you are somehow weak when looking for help in the Head Shrinking Department of the clinic.

    It is a shame, because the actual medical care I receive . . . is top notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Right, Look at the side effect and interactions with just this one drug.

    Ambien Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com

    I had some friends a while back that took Ambien and drank a bunch of alcohol on the weekends. They don't remember much of what they did.
    towards the end of my deployment in afghanistan,i saw the tmc for sleep problems.i had wierd nightmares over there that ended after i left,and i later found out it was because the heavy amounts of lead and mercury in the dust we were breathing.

    but i got started with hydroxyzine,which caused me to hallucinate,i went back asking for a different medication,and they told me to double down on it.i decided not to fight it that day did what they said,it made things worse,not only was i not sleeping,i was seeing things that werent there that kept me up even longer.

    then they prescribed me ambien,which for me was like taking lsd the hallucinations were so bad,they did the same told me to double it,nade it worse.after that they gavev me both ambien and hydroxyzine and said take both,and by unforseeable luck the two cancelled eachother out,and i slept good.


    but sadly the army had numerous sleep pills available,but kept giving me the same meds that were causing problems,literally knowing they were causing them.
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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    towards the end of my deployment in afghanistan,i saw the tmc for sleep problems.i had wierd nightmares over there that ended after i left,and i later found out it was because the heavy amounts of lead and mercury in the dust we were breathing.

    but i got started with hydroxyzine,which caused me to hallucinate,i went back asking for a different medication,and they told me to double down on it.i decided not to fight it that day did what they said,it made things worse,not only was i not sleeping,i was seeing things that werent there that kept me up even longer.

    then they prescribed me ambien,which for me was like taking lsd the hallucinations were so bad,they did the same told me to double it,nade it worse.after that they gavev me both ambien and hydroxyzine and said take both,and by unforseeable luck the two cancelled eachother out,and i slept good.


    but sadly the army had numerous sleep pills available,but kept giving me the same meds that were causing problems,literally knowing they were causing them.
    And people want this same government running healthcare

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Both shooting happened at Ft Hood. Both were soldier on soldier. Lopez has a Muslim name...........you do the math.
    Lopez is a muslim name? Actually it is hispanic. perhaps Castillian. Old Christian Castillian



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lopez is a muslim name? Actually it is hispanic. perhaps Castillian. Old Christian Castillian
    And his first name was evidently "Ivan" - not common, but by no means unheard of amongst hispanics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Both shooting happened at Ft Hood. Both were soldier on soldier. Lopez has a Muslim name...........you do the math.
    What name are you referring to as being Muslim? Did Lopez have an Islamic style "convert name" in addition to his birth name?
    Last edited by Cryptic; 04-03-14 at 11:28 PM.

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    And his first name was evidently "Ivan" - not common, but by no means unheard of amongst hispanics.

    Navy Pride: What name are you referring to as being Muslim? Did Loez have a convert name in addition to his birth namel?
    we missed the middle name

    Ivan Muhammed Lopez!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we missed the middle name

    Ivan Muhammed Lopez!!
    Thats go to be it... Ivan Muhammed Lopez-Jihad!

    Then again it is entirely possible that Lopez flirted with Islam and then started using an Islamic name unofficialy. Taking a new Islamic name is evidently fairly common amongst prison converts. Other non prison convert groups may do it as well.

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lopez is a muslim name? Actually it is hispanic. perhaps Castillian. Old Christian Castillian
    According to Behind the Name (one of my favorite for learning origins of name) Lopez means "son of Lope," in Spanish, and Lope is the Spanish form of the latin word Lupus. Looking on wikipedia appears you are right that it originated in Castilla la Vieja.
    Old Castile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    López - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Behind the Name: Meaning, Origin and History of the Surname Lopez
    Behind the Name: Meaning, Origin and History of the Name Lope

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