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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are tons of articles out there. It really becomes an apples to oranges to watermelons game though. Why did they snap? What was their disorder before they snapped and what role did the meds play in the snapping.

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    Yep. Some people have been saying it and saying it. There is a strong correlation between psychotropic drugs and aggressive behavior/mass shootings/suicide. The mainstream media largely ignores this probably because of the high advertising revenue they receive from the bazillion dollar Big Pharma industry. For whatever reason MSM has not followed the very strong connection.

    For my money psychotropic drugs would be the lead I'd follow. But I'd put my real money on the federal government doing next to nothing about the drug connection. If there is a serious government investigation into psychotropic drugs and aggression, mass murder and/or suicide look for it to be conducted with Big Pharma playing a major role; look for it to take years; look for the results to be next to worthless. Oligarchy don't cotton to the masses feckin with their cash and control cows.

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Think media is back pedaling away from the psychotropic drug connection to mass shootings?

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Yep. Some people have been saying it and saying it. There is a strong correlation between psychotropic drugs and aggressive behavior/mass shootings/suicide. The mainstream media largely ignores this probably because of the high advertising revenue they receive from the bazillion dollar Big Pharma industry. For whatever reason MSM has not followed the very strong connection.

    For my money psychotropic drugs would be the lead I'd follow. But I'd put my real money on the federal government doing next to nothing about the drug connection. If there is a serious government investigation into psychotropic drugs and aggression, mass murder and/or suicide look for it to be conducted with Big Pharma playing a major role; look for it to take years; look for the results to be next to worthless. Oligarchy don't cotton to the masses feckin with their cash and control cows.

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    The underlying problem is that pills are thrown at people as a magic cure all at the drop of a hat. No doubt...SOME people NEED them, if for no other reason than to get them stabilized so that therapy can be effective. But if I was a betting man I would say that 70% at least of kids on medication are the wrong ones in their families being medicated. ****ty Parent Syndrome is a mean disease. So is Crappy Life Syndrome. Throwing pills at things wont fix everything.

    A lot of our soldier are misdiagnosed as well. Half of our suicides involve people that have never been deployed. Most of them that I have worked with and have been diagnosed with a combat related disorder had some element of CLS before they ever even joined the service. Having a cute pink cheeked college intern sitting across from at the VA and explaining to them why the Soldier is so screwed up doesnt really help either.

    Bah...dont get me started...

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The underlying problem is that pills are thrown at people as a magic cure all at the drop of a hat. No doubt...SOME people NEED them, if for no other reason than to get them stabilized so that therapy can be effective. But if I was a betting man I would say that 70% at least of kids on medication are the wrong ones in their families being medicated. ****ty Parent Syndrome is a mean disease. So is Crappy Life Syndrome. Throwing pills at things wont fix everything.

    A lot of our soldier are misdiagnosed as well. Half of our suicides involve people that have never been deployed. Most of them that I have worked with and have been diagnosed with a combat related disorder had some element of CLS before they ever even joined the service. Having a cute pink cheeked college intern sitting across from at the VA and explaining to them why the Soldier is so screwed up doesnt really help either.

    Bah...dont get me started...
    Another significant part of the problem, in my opinion, is that combat troops are being treated by people who have never been in the service, muchless set foot on a battlefield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Fair enough. I certainly don't mean to demean the fine people of Jacksonville, Peoria, or Evanston.
    Or Fox Lake Hills. We are mostly suburban with a rural flair. The folks that have moved out from the city still think it is the country . . . but I always remember when it really was. It will be concrete from Chicago to Milwaukee with a 60-mile ring before you know it. I appreciate you knowing the majority of us don't shoot people . . . even in Chicago. It is definitely a small geographical area of a big city in a big state. Detroit isn't Michigan by a long shot as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    According to many military family members,
    they give out these drugs like candy for all sorts of reasons not necessarily just for mental issues.
    This one hits home, knowing my Dad was originally started on Lithium before Ativan and the others came along.
    And who is to know patients are NOT drinking before they take this medicine, no matter the precautions?
    If this is true, they are playing with fire and all these suicides and killings we hear about may be caused by this practice.
    These are the types of quality comments that are needed to solve a very real problem that affects so many.
    This is a problem that Internet posters can help solve, one action at a time .
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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Since when ?

    I believe since the 1990's.

    Just a couple months ago the Commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. Amos issued a directive or an order that all company, battery or squadron Duty NCO's will be under arms with loaded magazines from now on 24/7.

    Back in the Old Corps I can remember while in Staging Bat. going into the PX at Las Pulgas to get a pack of smokes while carrying my M-16.

    After Nam when I was with the 5th MAB at Pendleton it was common when coming back from being in the field to stop off at the PX to get some smokes and a chili dog and a coke from the vending machines that were at the PX while under arms.

    Once while at 29 Stumps during the summer it was 112 degrees and we just humped seven miles across the desert in the blazing heat. As soon as we got back to camp instead of cleaning our pistols me and another Sergeant went straight to the NCO Club while under arms, I ordered a pitcher of iced water while my buddy ordered a pitcher of beer.

    Under a gun free zone today I don't think any of the above would have been allowed.
    There were very few places we had to clear a weapon, when under arms, while on duty at any of the military bases I was stationed at. Most clinics and hospitals. Churches, unless you are there under duty requirement, and just prior to entering the armory or jail/brig. However, it should be noted that in the States, there are probably only a small percentage of people armed at any given time unless you are Military Police, on Guard Duty at a security specific spot, or at the range. Even overseas with the exception of war zones, you don't find many people armed.

    I come from a time when drinking and smoking (except those left handed cigarettes) were almost encouraged, but I don't remember going to the club packing a .45. Getting back from the field and going to the club while armed seems to be a failure of command, not a common occurrence. When we came back from the field we TI'd vehicles and cleaned weapons before we were allowed to go to the latrine.

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    I think someone has some splainin to do.
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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Was this specialist even a veteran of a war?
    Iraq. Apparently he was the victim of an IED and suffered a head injury, which caused his mental health problems, which is why he was at Fort Hood in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I buy the war related PTSD and depression, however, America was far more at war during the last decade, from 2002 on, than it is in the last 5 years. Perhaps the problems take time to fester and explode, I don't know - but I can't believe it's that simple. Perhaps, it's a matter of the "disease" being recognized and treated more within the military itself and not after discharge - maybe previously soldiers exhibiting such symptoms were simply discharged and if they exploded it was in civilian life and not on a military base where they are now being treated. As well, it could just be a matter of more soldiers coming home and the readjustment affects some adversely. My point was simply that there needs to be more serious thought given, within the military, to what is happening and how to combat it.

    As for the recent purchase of the gun used by this soldier, I'm not a "lefty" nor am I anti-gun, but it seems to me that gun advocates have been saying all along that more needs to be done to stop the mentally ill from purchasing and having access to guns as opposed to full scale registration, capacity limits, etc. As such, this soldier by all accounts was suffering from and being treated for a mental illness yet a background check failed to flag that fact. If the military can't find a way to flag their own personnel with mental illness concerns within the government background checking system how is it ever going to be possible to identify any other individuals who have mental illness?
    It's government, they're bad at doing anything efficiently, least of all the military. There's simply no way to stop a 'prohibited person' from buying a gun, even in Canada. The best solution is to empower everyone else.

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