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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This was an E-4 and had 15 years in service. He was a nutjob.
    There are nut jobs everywhere but, this one and most of the shooters lately were on one or more psychotropic (sp) drugs. This is where the investigation should begin.
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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are nut jobs everywhere but, this one and most of the shooters lately were on one or more psychotropic (sp) drugs. This is where the investigation should begin.
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    Really? Can you provide source material? Name the drugs? Not to be a bother, but I have wondered this myself. People DON'T snap. They have patterns of mental illness. They have patterns that indicate that they are unstable. The question is what makes them unstable?
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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I buy the war related PTSD and depression, however, America was far more at war during the last decade, from 2002 on, than it is in the last 5 years. Perhaps the problems take time to fester and explode, I don't know - but I can't believe it's that simple. Perhaps, it's a matter of the "disease" being recognized and treated more within the military itself and not after discharge - maybe previously soldiers exhibiting such symptoms were simply discharged and if they exploded it was in civilian life and not on a military base where they are now being treated. As well, it could just be a matter of more soldiers coming home and the readjustment affects some adversely. My point was simply that there needs to be more serious thought given, within the military, to what is happening and how to combat it.

    As for the recent purchase of the gun used by this soldier, I'm not a "lefty" nor am I anti-gun, but it seems to me that gun advocates have been saying all along that more needs to be done to stop the mentally ill from purchasing and having access to guns as opposed to full scale registration, capacity limits, etc. As such, this soldier by all accounts was suffering from and being treated for a mental illness yet a background check failed to flag that fact. If the military can't find a way to flag their own personnel with mental illness concerns within the government background checking system how is it ever going to be possible to identify any other individuals who have mental illness?
    Well you have hit a very important concept that isn't often discussed, and my guess is because politicians don't care. They can't win political points by showing the downfalls of the "system."

    We have an ACTUAL crisis on our hands, not the obamacare nightmare, but the fact that we can't figure out who to treat and why when it comes to mental health. We have so many people that fall through the cracks in our system that it is only a matter of time till one of the ones that falls through is a danger to others...and not just themselves.

    Of course we all know that guns are the hot topic. There is a long standing tradition on trying to implement new laws, but what you hit on is what cannot be denied. We have the law. We don't implement it. We can't. It will never work, not until we can actually flag the people who need to be flagged.
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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Well you have hit a very important concept that isn't often discussed, and my guess is because politicians don't care. They can't win political points by showing the downfalls of the "system."

    We have an ACTUAL crisis on our hands, not the obamacare nightmare, but the fact that we can't figure out who to treat and why when it comes to mental health. We have so many people that fall through the cracks in our system that it is only a matter of time till one of the ones that falls through is a danger to others...and not just themselves.

    Of course we all know that guns are the hot topic. There is a long standing tradition on trying to implement new laws, but what you hit on is what cannot be denied. We have the law. We don't implement it. We can't. It will never work, not until we can actually flag the people who need to be flagged.
    This is not just an American issue - we have the same type of problems here in Canada related to mental illness, detention and treatment. The pendulum swing from virtually permanent institutionalization to virtually no institutionalization during the latter parts of the last century has left thousands of truly dangerous and untreated mentally ill people on the streets of most of North America's big cities. There has to be some middle ground but civil libertarians seem to be ruling the day at this point in time.
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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    It has happened before. Back before the Internet and social media it happened, you just did not hear about it. Back in 1978 or 1979, I can't remember what year exactly, but there was a range shooting when I was stationed in Korea . . . a few guys were killed. When I was in Okinawa back in 1984, I treated Marines shot up in a Armory shooting, thankfully no one was killed.

    Back in the 1970's we use to say Korea was the best kept secret of the U.S. Army as it related to guys being sent home in body bags because of "Accidents".
    I would say that the dirty little secret on Okinawa is the best kept secret. A problem that the Navy and Marine corps couldn't take care of for over sixty years. They could of taken care of the problem but the left would have gone totally berserk.

    There has always been homicides in the military but only a fraction compared to the civilian world. What I'm saying I don't remember mass shootings taking place on military installations where scores are murdered and wounded.

    The first mass shooting at Fort Hood was a terrorist attack and could have been prevented but political correctness prevented the military from preventing the attack.

    The recent shooting at the Washington DC Navy Yard could have been prevented if Marines were doing what their mission is, to protect Navy property and personnel. But nope, that job has been given to civilians. The same is true on Army post where civilians now do the law enforcement on bases.

    There was just another incident where a civilian military cop was disarmed by someone on a naval base who used the weapon to murder a sailor. No ****ing way would you hear of a Marine being disarmed.

    Here's an interesting study. They break it down. Four homosexual rape-murders in the Air Force in a ten year span.
    The study covers 1981 to 1991. Why they picked the Air Force ? I don't know. I would guess the Air Force homicide rates are lower than the other branches of the services. But the article is interesting and worth looking at.

    https://ke.army.mil/bordeninstitute/...y.../MPch6.pdf

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are nut jobs everywhere but, this one and most of the shooters lately were on one or more psychotropic (sp) drugs. This is where the investigation should begin.
    IMO
    That's why I highlighted his ambien usage in my post. That **** does crazy things to some people.

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Really? Can you provide source material? Name the drugs?
    Fort Hood shooter who killed three and injured 16 as it is revealed he was being assessed for PTSD, was taking Ambien and never saw combat during his one tour in Iraq
    Ivan Lopez, the Fort Hood gunman 'being treated for PTSD' | Mail Online

    This has been widely reported.

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Both shooting happened at Ft Hood. Both were soldier on soldier. Lopez has a Muslim name...........you do the math.
    Cannot be serious.

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And here I thought all those warrantless searches and massive data collection and analysis and the plethora of other Big Brother activities were gonna keep me safe.
    One thing we can always count on is the same people that are against surveillence will be the first to complain when something occurs. You can't win with these folks.

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    Re: Source: Active shooter at Fort Hood

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    One thing we can always count on is the same people that are against surveillence will be the first to complain when something occurs. You can't win with these folks.
    ....so I'm not safe? What do we need? More surveillance? I bet that works!
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