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    U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    WASHINGTON (AP) The Obama administration has conducted warrantless searches of Americans' communications as part of the National Security Agency's surveillance operations that target foreigners located outside of the U.S., the administration's top intelligence official confirmed in a letter to Congress disclosed Tuesday.These searches were authorized by a secret surveillance court in 2011, but it was unclear until Tuesday whether any such searches on Americans had been conducted.
    The recent acknowledgement of warrantless searches on Americans offers more insight into U.S. government surveillance operations put in place after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The government has broadly interpreted these laws to allow for the collection of communications of innocent Americans, practices the Obama administration maintains are legal. But President Obama has promised to review some of these programs to determine whether the government should be conducting this type of surveillance at all.


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    A giant collective no **** moment. And hopefully a giant collective "this **** needs to stop ASAP" moment.


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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

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    A giant collective no **** moment. And hopefully a giant collective "this **** needs to stop ASAP" moment. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    So much for the Fourth Amendment. Or the Bill of Rights as a whole for that matter.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    It's not really warrantless, that's just a catch phrase used by hacks. There are a few major requirements regarding these searches:

    1. One of the communicators must be outside the US.
    2. One of the communicators must be on the Terrorist Watchlist.
    3. A special warrant must be obtained, from a panel of judges, before the tap occurs.
    4. For anything in the tap to be used against someone, a full warrant must be obtained without the use of tap-gained material.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not really warrantless, that's just a catch phrase used by hacks. There are a few major requirements regarding these searches:

    1. One of the communicators must be outside the US.
    2. One of the communicators must be on the Terrorist Watchlist.
    3. A special warrant must be obtained, from a panel of judges, before the tap occurs.
    4. For anything in the tap to be used against someone, a full warrant must be obtained without the use of tap-gained material.
    Still are warrantless. Still used against Americnas.


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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Still are warrantless.
    So you have no idea what you're talking about? Ok.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you have no idea what you're talking about? Ok.
    If you call the FISA court offering legitimate warrants then you have to kidding me. FISA Court Has Rejected .03 Percent Of All Government Surveillance Requests | Mother Jones
    If anything the FISA court is essentially a rubber stamp.


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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Still are warrantless. Still used against Americnas.
    Yeah, against freedom loving US citizens who belong to patriot groups. Against those who stand up for their civil liberties and defend the Bill of Rights as a whole and not in part.

    Your SPLC has labeled guys like me "extremists" and potential "terrorists" for even questioning government and their authoritarian intent.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah, against freedom loving US citizens who belong to patriot groups. Against those who stand up for their civil liberties and defend the Bill of Rights as a whole and not in part.

    Your SPLC has labeled guys like me "extremists" and potential "terrorists" for even questioning government and their authoritarian intent.
    Yea... Surrreee they have..


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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If you call the FISA court offering legitimate warrants then you have to kidding me. FISA Court Has Rejected .03 Percent Of All Government Surveillance Requests | Mother Jones
    If anything the FISA court is essentially a rubber stamp.
    By your logic, normal warrants can be declared insufficiently obtained and therefore no warrants exist at all.

    Why can't you just be honest and admit that a warrant is required for the tap (among other strict requirements) and that a full warrant (without tap material) must be obtained before anything can be used against someone?

    Is it so difficult for you to admit reality?
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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    By your logic, normal warrants can be declared insufficiently obtained and therefore no warrants exist at all.
    Not at all. Its When they reject .03% of all warrants issues ever it essentially becomes a rubber stamp authority. Hell I be the PRC's congress or the DPRK's congress rejects more than .03% of all acts of law that come before them. How can you call something fair, democratic, or just when essentially everything that is brought before the body is accepted?


    Why can't you just be honest and admit that a warrant is required for the tap (among other strict requirements) and that a full warrant (without tap material) must be obtained before anything can be used against someone?
    A rubber stamp warrant. When something is rubber stamped its essentially unjust and unfair.

    Is it so difficult for you to admit reality?
    "Liberty and justice for all".


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