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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    What conspiracy theory?
    That the strict procedures are being ignored and all of the thousands of people involved are conspiring to hide this from you.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That the strict procedures are being ignored and all of the thousands of people involved are conspiring to hide this from you.
    I suggest you re-read what I wrote. I didn't say the procedures were being ignored. I said they appeared to be inadequate and open to abuse. And that is a real concern because governments generally, and ours is no exception, are prone to abuse their authority.
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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

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    You have communications with someone outside the US and on the Terrorist Watchlist? Who?
    Snowden has been communicating w/everyone quite successfully through his leaked NSA documents.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your platitude means nothing. The facts are on the table. The requirements are known. The procedures are followed. There are -in fact- warrants for the searches. There are -in fact- additional protocols calling for a full warrant to be obtained without tap information before anything can be used against someone in court.

    You claiming 'black helicopters' does not counter this reality. Take off the tin foil and look at the facts.
    While there may be certain procedures followed, you yourself stated that "It's a highly restricted and regulated process with requirements so strict as to virtually eliminate rejections. A full warrant must be obtained (without using anything from the tap) for anything from the tap to be used against someone." (emphasis added) (http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063106294)


    Given the fact that although there are procedures, the system itself is designed to have virtually no rejections, thus one can argue that it is indeed a rubber stamp.
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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Dear Conservatives:

    I'm glad you've caught up to liberals in 2001. Glad to have you on board.
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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Dear Conservatives:

    I'm glad you've caught up to liberals in 2001. Glad to have you on board.
    If a Republican gets the Whitehouse in the next election will Republicans and conservative still oppose these policies when they continue? Most of them had no problem with the security state under Bush II.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Given the fact that although there are procedures, the system itself is designed to have virtually no rejections, thus one can argue that it is indeed a rubber stamp.
    The system was not designed to have no rejections; that's CT and assigning demonizing motives to others. The system was designed to have strict protocol that leaves little room for doubt. This removes judgement calls by those involved and keeps the system based on facts.

    That you have a problem with a system based on facts, and would prefer a system based on judgement calls by people in power, is contrary to good governance. If it was as you would like, I would object to the protocols and I hope you would too. We do not want FISA warrants being decided by whim instead of strict requirements.

    I cannot believe you would argue for a softer system, more prone to abuse. What kind of logic and reason could lead you to such desires?

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're using conspiracy theory to compare the US to North Korea. Let me know when you'd like to join us in reality.
    I never saw any suggestion by DemSocialist that North Korea was tapping his phone, bur if it is OK for the USA to tap his phone, then it wuld be OK for North Korea to tap his phone.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I never saw any suggestion by DemSocialist that North Korea was tapping his phone, bur if it is OK for the USA to tap his phone, then it wuld be OK for North Korea to tap his phone.
    It would be ok for North Korea to tap your phone. Lord knows, someone should be.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The reason that so few FISA warrants are rejected is because of the strict requirements for requesting the FISA warrant in the first place. With one person outside the US and one person on the Terrorist Watchlist, I think the average person can figure this out. I'm sure your "Mother Jones" article blames the Illuminati, but let's be sensible people here.




    Stop with the fantasy. Let reality in.
    I think the complaint has been that the warrants were overly broad and gave too much latitude to the investigators.
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