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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Can you name a foreign country that uses widespread surveillance of private communications authorized by secret courts using secret evidence to catch suspects that are then incarcerated indefinitely (and frequently tortured) without a legitimate trial that is a desirable place to live?
    Did you get that crap from a book?

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Did you get that crap from a book?
    Nope, he wrote it all by himself. Only konservatives need to copy from books to get large words, because they don't know what they mean.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

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    Even a nun is potentially extremely loose.

    So I've heard though most of the nuns I remember from school were pretty uptight. Except sister Mary-Margaret but that's another story. But what do loose nuns have to do with the price of tea in China?
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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    So I've heard though most of the nuns I remember from school were pretty uptight. Except sister Mary-Margaret but that's another story. But what do loose nuns have to do with the price of tea in China?
    Your platitude means nothing. The facts are on the table. The requirements are known. The procedures are followed. There are -in fact- warrants for the searches. There are -in fact- additional protocols calling for a full warrant to be obtained without tap information before anything can be used against someone in court.

    You claiming 'black helicopters' does not counter this reality. Take off the tin foil and look at the facts.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

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    A giant collective no **** moment. And hopefully a giant collective "this **** needs to stop ASAP" moment. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Of course they're spying on us, it's what Big Brother does. Did they actually think anyone thought they were doing warrantless searches against Americans?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course they're spying on us, it's what Big Brother does.
    You have communications with someone outside the US and on the Terrorist Watchlist? Who?

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your platitude means nothing. The facts are on the table. The requirements are known. The procedures are followed. There are -in fact- warrants for the searches. There are -in fact- additional protocols calling for a full warrant to be obtained without tap information before anything can be used against someone in court.

    You claiming 'black helicopters' does not counter this reality. Take off the tin foil and look at the facts.
    I am looking at the facts. And the facts I see show a set of requirements that are to all appearances simple to meet and open to abuse and not nearly as stringent as you are making them out to be. It isn't even clear to me that the criteria for issuing a FISA warrant rise to level of needed for a criminal warrant.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I am looking at the facts. And the facts I see show a set of requirements that are to all appearances simple to meet and open to abuse and not nearly as stringent as you are making them out to be.
    So you're going with conspiracy theory instead of the facts. Ok.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I am looking at the facts. And the facts I see show a set of requirements that are to all appearances simple to meet and open to abuse and not nearly as stringent as you are making them out to be. It isn't even clear to me that the criteria for issuing a FISA warrant rise to level of needed for a criminal warrant.

    No tin foil hats. No black helicopters.
    The problem is there's no real oversight. Several years ago it had come out that the FBI had committed countless violations of the Patriot Act, but there was never anything to come of it. The real problem with all these "secret" programs in a system designed to be open, is that they are secret. Without knowledge, there can be no servo. So if they're even going to consider having something approaching anything like this, first step is proper oversight. And there appears to be none.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you're going with conspiracy theory instead of the facts. Ok.
    What conspiracy theory? How about answering the substance of my comments for a change? I'm claiming that the requirements you've put forth are flimsy and open to abuse. Answer that instead of making dopey conspiracy theory claims.
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