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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    ..Are you going to stay on topic?
    You are the one who mentioned conspiracy theories and black helicopters. Renditions and incarcerations without trial are completely relevant because without a legitimate trial government misdeeds used to obtain (or fabricate) evidence can not be revealed and used by the defense. The system has no true checks and balances and/or a system for preventing abuse. Not only does the current system make wrongful punishment likely, it creates a situation in which no one can feel that their privacy rights are maintained and they can not trust the government. All of the centuries of progress in making governments more just, fair and accountable to the people has been damaged by our over-reaction to the acts of twenty terrorists. I consider that damage more dangerous than the risk of occasional terrorist attacks, especially since oppressive governments without human rights protections are not significantly more secure than those that are more open. We survived over two hundred years, through a civil war and two world wars without a need to limit our human rights. (yes, I acknowledge that people's rights have been violated many times by our government, but it was generally not officially established policy.)
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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not really warrantless, that's just a catch phrase used by hacks. There are a few major requirements regarding these searches:

    1. One of the communicators must be outside the US.
    2. One of the communicators must be on the Terrorist Watchlist.
    3. A special warrant must be obtained, from a panel of judges, before the tap occurs.
    4. For anything in the tap to be used against someone, a full warrant must be obtained without the use of tap-gained material.
    Good 'ol ecofarm--believes everything his govt. tells him.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    You are the one mentioned conspiracy theories and black helicopters. Renditions and incarcerations without trial are completely relevant because without a legitimate trial government misdeeds used to obtain (or fabricate) evidence can not be revealed and used by the defense. The system has no true checks and balances and/or a system for preventing abuse.
    That's why you should wear a tin hat.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Not to mention the huge database of all telecom traffic being stored in North Dakota that can be backsearched in perpetuity, regardless if you did something wrong now or not.

    These government activities are evil and an unfortunate sign of the way things are headed.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's why you should wear a tin hat.
    Can't. All the tin hats have been taken by the right wing naivos who still believe everything their govt. tells them.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Can't. All the tin hats have been taken by the right wing naivos who still believe everything their govt. tells them.
    In your world, does that pass for clever?

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In your world, does that pass for clever?
    No, "clever" is the last word anyone would use to describe the right wing naivos who believe everything their govt. tells them.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's why you should wear a tin hat.
    Can you name a foreign country that uses widespread surveillance of private communications authorized by secret courts using secret evidence to catch suspects that are then incarcerated indefinitely (and frequently tortured) without a legitimate trial that is a desirable place to live?

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Can you name a foreign country that uses widespread surveillance of private communications authorized by secret courts using secret evidence to catch suspects that are then incarcerated indefinitely (and frequently tortured) without a legitimate trial that is a desirable place to live?
    North Korea.

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