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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not at all. Its When they reject .03% of all warrants issues ever it essentially becomes a rubber stamp authority. Hell I be the PRC's congress or the DPRK's congress rejects more than .03% of all acts of law that come before them. How can you call something fair, democratic, or just when essentially everything that is brought before the body is accepted?

    The reason that so few FISA warrants are rejected is because of the strict requirements for requesting the FISA warrant in the first place. With one person outside the US and one person on the Terrorist Watchlist, I think the average person can figure this out. I'm sure your "Mother Jones" article blames the Illuminati, but let's be sensible people here.


    A rubber stamp warrant. When something is rubber stamped its essentially unjust and unfair.
    Stop with the fantasy. Let reality in.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The reason that so few FISA warrants are rejected is because of the strict requirements for requesting the FISA warrant in the first place. With one person outside the US and one person on the Terrorist Watchlist, I think the average person can figure this out.
    Ohhh yea... Like it was never abused... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/us...firm.html?_r=0 I wonder if these lawyers were on the terrorist watch list or any of the foreign officials...
    "A top-secret document, obtained by the former N.S.A. contractor Edward J. Snowden, shows that an American law firm was monitored while representing a foreign government in trade disputes with the United States. "
    As the article points out, " "At the point that a FISA judge can compel the disclosure of millions of phone records of US citizens engaged in only domestic communications, unrelated to the collection of foreign intelligence…there is no longer meaningful judicial review."....
    -Also when your hearing are entirely in private and you dont have to report anything that goes on in that courtoroom ever, its pretty darn hard to find out whats being reported and what not.
    -Also when the NSA always claimed they never did these practices that are just now revealed, and they just no reveal that they do do it, how can you say they dont abuse their power or are doing more than just this?
    I'm sure your "Mother Jones" article blames the Illuminati, but let's be sensible people here.
    Typical ecofarm, blame the source not the content.


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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Typical ecofarm, blame the source not the content.
    Why are you being silly? There is a warrant required. The requirements for even requesting that warrant are so strict that very few are rejected. That's reality. Deal with it.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why are you being silly? There is a warrant required. The requirements for even requesting that warrant are so strict that very few are rejected. That's reality. Deal with it.
    *Cough cough* rubber stamp.


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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not really warrantless, that's just a catch phrase used by hacks. There are a few major requirements regarding these searches:

    1. One of the communicators must be outside the US.
    2. One of the communicators must be on the Terrorist Watchlist.
    3. A special warrant must be obtained, from a panel of judges, before the tap occurs.
    4. For anything in the tap to be used against someone, a full warrant must be obtained without the use of tap-gained material.
    1. Then we should all be warned with an audio message every time we make an international phone call that the conversation may be monitored.
    2. I believe that is not true, one of the communicators only needs to be considered suspicious. Even if it is limited to only people on a Terror Watchlist we have no idea whether those lists are accurate and there is no way to appeal being placed in the list.
    3. A secret court in a secret proceeding sees who-knows-how-much secret evidence of unknown accuracy before making the decision. No wonder they very rarely turn down a surveillance request.
    4. That assumes that legal proceedings are used against the suspect instead of him being sent somewhere via rendition for torture and indefinite incarceration without a legitimate trial.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    1. Then we should all be warned with an audio message every time we make an international phone call that the conversation may be monitored.
    That's nuts, and you're ignoring the other requirements.

    2. I believe that is not true, one of the communicators only needs to be considered suspicious. Even if it is limited to only people on a Terror Watchlist we have no idea whether those lists are accurate and there is no way to appeal being placed in the list.
    So your tactic here is to deny reality and substitute fantasy?

    3. A secret court in a secret proceeding sees who-knows-how-much secret evidence of unknown accuracy before making the decision. No wonder they very rarely turn down a surveillance request.
    The reason requests are rarely rejected is the strict requirements for making the request.

    4. That assumes that legal proceedings are used against the suspect instead of him being sent somewhere via rendition for torture and indefinite incarceration without a legitimate trial.
    Black helicopter CT does not substitute for reality.

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    *Cough cough* rubber stamp.
    You could say the same about any warrant, and thereby claim no warrants exist at all.

    Why must you ignore reality?

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea... Surrreee they have..
    Yeah, the SPLC only labeled my organization has a "hate group" on their biased and ignorant "hate map" and I suppose the IRS attacking several groups that are similar to mine haven't been attacked by the IRS?

    No you see, what Obama and the rest of the socialists have done has shifted focus off of radical islam and have focused quality time on investigating "patriot organizations."

    The best part is that the government overlooks pro-government "anarchistic" and "communist" organizations - such as the OWS clowns and all sorts of communist organizations.

    You think these ****s give a **** about the First Amendment - Especially when my group(s) intent is to hold these tyrants accountable for their actions?

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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You could say the same about any warrant, and thereby claim no warrants exist at all.

    Why must you ignore reality?
    Do a quick Google search and you find that warrants are often times denied


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    Re: U.S. confirms warrantless searches of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do a quick Google search and you find that warrants are often times denied
    Certainly not often enough. Let's just say they don't exist. Why not? Ignoring reality is a great routine and lots of fun, right?

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