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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    So an ad for Ford by Ford is not Ford speaking about it's product?
    Because the ad costs money doesn't mean that the money is the speech.
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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Have you looked at tax distribution in this country?

    Politicians don't win elections by raising the most money. They win elections by getting the most votes
    I don't know how one would even begin to quantify the naivete of this statement. Are you aware of the purpose that money raised is used for?

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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Have you looked at tax distribution in this country?

    Politicians don't win elections by raising the most money. They win elections by getting the most votes and right now the biggest asset Democrats have are the low information voters who can be whipped up into a frenzy by the idea that the wealthy are buying the government and not paying their fair share. The wealthy have always had more money to donate than you and that hasn't stopped Democrats from pushing more and more onto the backs of fewer and fewer. The Founding Fathers warned of tyranny of the majority and that's exactly where we find ourselves today.
    Right, and there are no low information Republican voters who would vote for their party if they were running Beelzebub.

    What you're assuming here is that the Democratic Party is really the party of the poor people. Do you think that is really true?
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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Did the limits ever change anything? NO.
    I don't know for certain, but it was never as if reformers really ever made the argument that "times were better in the past, but not enough has been done yet." It seemed to me that perhaps we were shuffling the money from one avenue to the other with each reform, but somehow it still reached the political process in the way reformers did not want. It was as if it depended on which game the rich donors had to play to get the money where they wanted it.
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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Because the ad costs money doesn't mean that the money is the speech.
    Really? So without money you can run an ad?
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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Really? So without money you can run an ad?
    Without money you can speak. You can say whatever is on your mind.
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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    As long as they are forced to disclose, i dont have a problem.

    At least we'll know who our politicians belong to.
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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Without money you can speak. You can say whatever is on your mind.
    Ok. So you want to let the media own the legislators because they can offer free ads to whoever they choose to run the country?
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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Have you looked at tax distribution in this country?

    Politicians don't win elections by raising the most money. They win elections by getting the most votes and right now the biggest asset Democrats have are the low information voters who can be whipped up into a frenzy by the idea that the wealthy are buying the government and not paying their fair share. The wealthy have always had more money to donate than you and that hasn't stopped Democrats from pushing more and more onto the backs of fewer and fewer. The Founding Fathers warned of tyranny of the majority and that's exactly where we find ourselves today.
    Money is the avenue through which one most likely gets votes. Money is spent to buy information distribution. Your voter may not be as steerable without targeted campaigning.
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    Re: Justices strike down political donor limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Without money you can speak. You can say whatever is on your mind.
    And you can also speak with money, which is why it is considered protect speech. Do you disagree with poor people pooling their money to support a candidate or are you suggesting only those able to self finance a campaign be allowed to run for office?
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