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Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

Conservative said:
They are outsourcing because the cost of labor is too high in this country and companies are in business to make a profit, not support a 3.9 trillion dollar federal govt. created by liberalism and people like you. Anything that drives up costs hurts profits if they cannot be paid by revenue generated. Seems you really don't understand how business works which means you must work for the govt.
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Funny how companies paid a living wage and made healthy profits for decades. How much is enough? Companies like Costco show that your rhetoric once again rings shallow.
 
Conservative said:
They are outsourcing because the cost of labor is too high in this country and companies are in business to make a profit, not support a 3.9 trillion dollar federal govt. created by liberalism and people like you. Anything that drives up costs hurts profits if they cannot be paid by revenue generated. Seems you really don't understand how business works which means you must work for the govt.
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You forgot the tax incentives the govt. gave corporations to move their operations overseas and our lack of UHC like other western nations that don't hurt profits by making corporations pay for HC. You have a narrow view that fails to see all the parts of any issue, you pick and choose whatever suits your views and ignore the rest. You must be a Conservative.
 
Boo Radley said:
That has done a great job making life better.
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Ah but thats not a decision for you to make for others. It takes the fruit of ones labor and invests them unwisely in that spectacular fashion that only a top down one size fits all law could do. Entitled lackluster performance.
 
99percenter said:
You mean created by these two dudes.

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I guess nothing is ever going to change the mind of an ideologue like you even actual results. Bush's unemployment rate average is a full two points lower than Obama's, his discouraged workers are half the number of Obama's, his average GDP is double Obama, and his debt for 8 years is almost 2 trillion less than Obama has generated in less than 6. You certainly have a strange way of evaluating performance whereas yours is based upon rhetoric and how you feel.
 
disneydude said:
LOL.....everytime you write "results matter" to you....just realize Con that everyone knows that your words ring hollow. You cannot embrace the man who put this country in the shape that it was in back in 2008 and claim that you care about results. Just sayin.....that's all.
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Obviously they don't teach civics in California or you never showed up for the class. Tell me which is better 700,000 jobs lost or 1.2 million discouraged workers? Which is better 4.9 trillion added to the debt or 6.7 trillion, I could go on but it is pointless as results don't matter to you
 
disneydude said:
Funny how companies paid a living wage and made healthy profits for decades. How much is enough? Companies like Costco show that your rhetoric once again rings shallow.
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That isn't for you to decide, that is for the shareholders of the large companies to decide but then again it isn't the large companies that drive the U.S. economy, it is the small companies, the ones Obama is destroying and couldn't care less about. What is quite telling is what an expert you are on business yet you have never run one.
 
iguanaman said:
You forgot the tax incentives the govt. gave corporations to move their operations overseas and our lack of UHC like other western nations that don't hurt profits by making corporations pay for HC. You have a narrow view that fails to see all the parts of any issue, you pick and choose whatever suits your views and ignore the rest. You must be a Conservative.
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Didn't forget nor do I care. You are the one that cares about getting enough money to pay for a 3.9 trillion dollar govt. that Obama wants. Not once have I seen any liberal talking about cutting the size of govt. to closer match the revenue but rather throwing more money at the beast. My view is the same as the Founders with their vision of the Federal Govt. You have bought the liberal rhetoric that healthcare is a national problem, no it is a personal responsibility and a local problem. You have not proven the opposite. Logic and common sense make me a conservative
 
Conservative said:
Obviously they don't teach civics in California or you never showed up for the class. Tell me which is better 700,000 jobs lost or 1.2 million discouraged workers? Which is better 4.9 trillion added to the debt or 6.7 trillion, I could go on but it is pointless as results don't matter to you
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LOL....don't you even see the irony in your post....especially when you claim you care about results. Too funny.
 
Conservative said:
They are outsourcing because the cost of labor is too high in this country and companies are in business to make a profit, not support a 3.9 trillion dollar federal govt. created by liberalism and people like you. Anything that drives up costs hurts profits if they cannot be paid by revenue generated. Seems you really don't understand how business works which means you must work for the govt.
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Yes, labor and HC, and not taxes. Exactly what I said. Glad you finally agree.
 
Conservative said:
That isn't for you to decide, that is for the shareholders of the large companies to decide but then again it isn't the large companies that drive the U.S. economy, it is the small companies, the ones Obama is destroying and couldn't care less about. What is quite telling is what an expert you are on business yet you have never run one.
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So in other words, you have no answer for the fact that for decades companies made large profits while paying a living wage. In short, it really isn't about making a profit then.
 
US Conservative said:
Ah but thats not a decision for you to make for others. It takes the fruit of ones labor and invests them unwisely in that spectacular fashion that only a top down one size fits all law could do. Entitled lackluster performance.
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I didn't. We did as a country through elected representatives. And reaffirmed by their continued election. Are you saying you prefer another form of government than ours?
 
disneydude said:
LOL....don't you even see the irony in your post....especially when you claim you care about results. Too funny.
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I actually posted results, you don't seem to understand the concept of results. Guess they didn't teach you that at Disney
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, labor and HC, and not taxes. Exactly what I said. Glad you finally agree.
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So you don't think companies pay taxes on their employees? Taxes and regulations are a major part of business decision making and their financial statement. Interesting how you don't understand that reality
 
disneydude said:
Funny how companies paid a living wage and made healthy profits for decades. How much is enough? Companies like Costco show that your rhetoric once again rings shallow.
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So that you understand, wages and salaries are tied to economics just like everything else in business. When the supply of workers is higher than the demand, as it is now, wages and salaries will be lower. During times of full employment they will be higher. The solution to low wages is full employment. In order to get full employment you need the economy to improve. In order to get the economy to improve you need to get government to let it recover. As long as government decides it wants to "manage" the economy and dictate what business can and can't do, things will be as they are. Sorry, that's the truth.
 
disneydude said:
So in other words, you have no answer for the fact that for decades companies made large profits while paying a living wage. In short, it really isn't about making a profit then.
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Tell me what those large companies making those record profits pay their employees? Do you understand the reason people go into business? You think it is to employ people like you? Wow. Why would anyone invest more money in employees with the uncertainty as to the cost of ACA and possibility of higher taxes from this incompetent Administration? Would you invest your money into increasing employment with this uncertainty?
 
Boo Radley said:
I didn't. We did as a country through elected representatives. And reaffirmed by their continued election. Are you saying you prefer another form of government than ours?
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Yes, we hold elections and the "People's House" remains under control of the Republicans and is representative of the opinions of the people. The Founders understood where the power should reside, you don't
 
disneydude said:
Funny how companies paid a living wage and made healthy profits for decades. How much is enough? Companies like Costco show that your rhetoric once again rings shallow.
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One must look at the bigger picture here. Are you proposing that all retailers adopt the Costco model by keeping products on pallets, selling only in case lots and charging high membership fees just to make fewer employees (less total jobs) get higher pay and yielding less than a 2% net profit margin?
 
Conservative said:
So you don't think companies pay taxes on their employees? Taxes and regulations are a major part of business decision making and their financial statement. Interesting how you don't understand that reality
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Keep trying to move that goal posts. :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
Conservative said:
Yes, we hold elections and the "People's House" remains under control of the Republicans and is representative of the opinions of the people. The Founders understood where the power should reside, you don't
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Congress wrote and passed these laws. Sorry you didn't know that.
 
Conservative said:
Tell me what those large companies making those record profits pay their employees? Do you understand the reason people go into business? You think it is to employ people like you? Wow. Why would anyone invest more money in employees with the uncertainty as to the cost of ACA and possibility of higher taxes from this incompetent Administration? Would you invest your money into increasing employment with this uncertainty?
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It's tough to have these discussions in abstract terms because we don't know which companies we're talking about specifically, and also don't know if People like disneydude are referring to gross profit, net income or EBITDA or their margins when they say "record profits".

Also, ACA isn't that costly to employees, and Obama has been historic in his lowering of taxes.
 
Boo Radley said:
Congress wrote and passed these laws. Sorry you didn't know that.
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ACA passed without one single Republican vote, sorry you didn't know that and the majority in the country represented by the "People's House" don't like ACA
 
Khayembii Communique said:
It's tough to have these discussions in abstract terms because we don't know which companies we're talking about specifically, and also don't know if People like disneydude are referring to gross profit, net income or EBITDA or their margins when they say "record profits".

Also, ACA isn't that costly to employees, and Obama has been historic in his lowering of taxes.
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How much less are you paying in taxes because of Obama? Apparently the 5 million who got cancellation notices and many who have gone to the ACA site disagree with you. Obama is making Jimmy Carter look good.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes, that is what is being announced. It seems that the GOP hope for demise of the ACA has failed miserably. I am not surprised. There is a precedent for them to be on the losing side and it seems to be pickling up steam...like the ACA



Carney: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million - CNN.com
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Notice that they say nothing about how many of those seven million lost their insurance because of ACA and had to sign up.

It also makes no mention of the people who lost their jobs due to ACA. Or how everyone now has higher premiums.

It is also very strange how the ACA is painted as a success when 7 million enrollees makes it an absolute failure by definition. The ACA was sold as a means of helping the 50 million people who we were told were uninsured. 50 million minus 7 million leaves 43 million still uninsured which is not even half which is an absolute irrefutable failure.

Yes the GOP is on the losing side but only because they opposed this inasnity while trying to propose equally bad solutions of their own rather than calling the ACA what it truly is: a monstrous law.

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Conservative said:
Keep dodging the questions and ignoring the costs of hiring, training, and employing people
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Those are not on point to our discussion. You're trying to sneak away from the fact business don't leave due to taxes.
 
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