Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

clownboy · Apr 7, 2014

Boo Radley said:
It does seem to be presented that way. Are you expecting a parade with fireworks?

Actually no it doesn't. The admin is throwing out numbers without distinquishing, a clear sign they're trying to mask the actual results. And yes, I'd expect a big ole Mission Accomplished party. However, the admin has nothing to celebrate. All they can do at this point is discount the failure.

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

Boo Radley said:
Here's another number:

But researchers at the Urban Institute's Health Policy Center have weighed in with their own estimate. They're figuring that the ACA has reduced the number of uninsured Americans by 5.4 million from the first quarter of 2013 through early March this year.

Their estimate is based on data from their March 2014 Health Reform Marketing Survey, which consists of public polling. Their finding is that the uninsurance rate for adults ages 18–64 was 15.2% for the nation in early March, a decline of 2.7 percentage points since September 2013, just before open enrollment on the exchanges began Oct. 1.

"This represents a gain in coverage for about 5.4 million adults," they write.

A look at how many Obamacare enrollees were uninsured: 5.4 million - latimes.com

And if we put everyone in a UHC system, we'd pay less on the whole and have better access. Isn't that what you want?

There you go again, promoting another massive entitlement program that costs more than intended, does less than intended, and doesn't solve the problem. Why is that?

Don't you think with all the money spent on the website and with the modern technology we have today that this Administration couldn't provide a breakdown of the number enrolled, who they are, how many were previously insured but received cancellation notices, how many actually paid their premiums, how many were eligible for Medicaid prior to ACA?

You willingly take the Administration explanation and never hold them to a higher standard, why is that?

Boo Radley · Apr 7, 2014

clownboy said:
Actually no it doesn't. The admin is throwing out numbers without distinquishing, a clear sign they're trying to mask the actual results. And yes, I'd expect a big ole Mission Accomplished party. However, the admin has nothing to celebrate. All they can do at this point is discount the failure.

When I thorw the stats of a football game, I don't have to tell you it isn't baseball game numbers. These are clearly two different things with no reason to assume a connection. They talk about them separately because they are separate. And are reported and measured as separate.

Boo Radley · Apr 7, 2014

Conservative said:
There you go again, promoting another massive entitlement program that costs more than intended, does less than intended, and doesn't solve the problem. Why is that?

Don't you think with all the money spent on the website and with the modern technology we have today that this Administration couldn't provide a breakdown of the number enrolled, who they are, how many were previously insured but received cancellation notices, how many actually paid their premiums, how many were eligible for Medicaid prior to ACA?

You willingly take the Administration explanation and never hold them to a higher standard, why is that?

No, UHC is my idea and not the administration's. But they're welcome to use it.

And I think we spend that money anyway. One way or another. It would be better to actually have a system that spends it more prudently and for use to spend less to get. more. I think this is reasonable.

clownboy · Apr 7, 2014

Boo Radley said:
When I thorw the stats of a football game, I don't have to tell you it isn't baseball game numbers. These are clearly two different things with no reason to assume a connection. They talk about them separately because they are separate. And are reported and measured as separate.

Except they don't "talk about them separately". It is the opposition that talks about them separately.

Boo Radley · Apr 7, 2014

clownboy said:
Except they don't "talk about them separately". It is the opposition that talks about them separately.

As you seem to me to have gone both ways, show me what you're specifically talking about.

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

Boo Radley said:
No, UHC is my idea and not the administration's. But they're welcome to use it.

And I think we spend that money anyway. One way or another. It would be better to actually have a system that spends it more prudently and for use to spend less to get. more. I think this is reasonable.

I anxiously await you telling me of any govt. social program that spends money prudently and why a bureaucrat in D.C. is better prepared to handle a social problem in your state? Where is the incentive for the Federal Govt. to be prudent with spending of taxpayer money? You have shown no interest at all in addressing the debt nor fully understand how politicians buy votes by spending more money. There is no incentive to be prudent

Boo Radley · Apr 7, 2014

Conservative said:
I anxiously await you telling me of any govt. social program that spends money prudently and why a bureaucrat in D.C. is better prepared to handle a social problem in your state? Where is the incentive for the Federal Govt. to be prudent with spending of taxpayer money? You have shown no interest at all in addressing the debt nor fully understand how politicians buy votes by spending more money. There is no incentive to be prudent

I've done that many times before. But I think you'll love these three:

3.) Educating everybody. Our economy and democracy would be impossible without an educated, skilled populace. From the beginning of our nation, offering free and universal public education has been one of the most important functions of government. The federal government has always had a role, from the 1785 Land Act and the land-grant colleges established under Lincoln to the GI Bill and beyond. It’s no accident that America leads the world in technological innovation.

4.) Helping us retire with dignity. Social Security and Medicare keep millions of Americans out of poverty, allowing them to live out their lives in dignity. And these essential programs are provided by government at far less cost than would be possible from the private sector.

5) Improving public health. Many of us owe our lives — literally — to the government. The greatest advances in longevity are due to public-sanitation measures such as water treatment, sewer systems and trash disposal. The Food and Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, and thousands of federal, state and local agencies keep us safer and healthier than we’d be in their absence. In addition, public dollars fund most of the basic research that private companies turn into life-saving drugs.

The 10 best things government has done for us - Rex Nutting - MarketWatch

mak2 · Apr 7, 2014

But...but...but Gooberment bad...

Boo Radley said:
I've done that many times before. But I think you'll love these three:

3.) Educating everybody. Our economy and democracy would be impossible without an educated, skilled populace. From the beginning of our nation, offering free and universal public education has been one of the most important functions of government. The federal government has always had a role, from the 1785 Land Act and the land-grant colleges established under Lincoln to the GI Bill and beyond. It’s no accident that America leads the world in technological innovation.

4.) Helping us retire with dignity. Social Security and Medicare keep millions of Americans out of poverty, allowing them to live out their lives in dignity. And these essential programs are provided by government at far less cost than would be possible from the private sector.

5) Improving public health. Many of us owe our lives — literally — to the government. The greatest advances in longevity are due to public-sanitation measures such as water treatment, sewer systems and trash disposal. The Food and Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, and thousands of federal, state and local agencies keep us safer and healthier than we’d be in their absence. In addition, public dollars fund most of the basic research that private companies turn into life-saving drugs.

The 10 best things government has done for us - Rex Nutting - MarketWatch

clownboy · Apr 7, 2014

Boo Radley said:
As you seem to me to have gone both ways, show me what you're specifically talking about.

Look at the OP. Again, how many of those are insured? Of those actually insured, how many have just tripped over to Medicaid and how many are paying customers? The admin isn't going to let on there.

jmotivator · Apr 7, 2014

Boo Radley said:
Maybe, but they could be two separate numbers.

Well, if it IS a separate number then that is also bad, quite frankly. If 3.5 million people are new to the private insurance rolls out of 5.6 paying customers that means only 2.1 million of the 4.7+ million who lost their insurance were able to acquire insurance for 2014... which means that 2.6 million people lost their insurance for 2014 because of the law.

So instead of a 500,000 net gain in my initial reading it would be a 900,000 net gain but 2.6 million adversely affected by the bill versus zero in my initial assumption.

I think that is worse than my first assumption! :shock:

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

Boo Radley said:
I've done that many times before. But I think you'll love these three:

3.) Educating everybody. Our economy and democracy would be impossible without an educated, skilled populace. From the beginning of our nation, offering free and universal public education has been one of the most important functions of government. The federal government has always had a role, from the 1785 Land Act and the land-grant colleges established under Lincoln to the GI Bill and beyond. It’s no accident that America leads the world in technological innovation.

4.) Helping us retire with dignity. Social Security and Medicare keep millions of Americans out of poverty, allowing them to live out their lives in dignity. And these essential programs are provided by government at far less cost than would be possible from the private sector.

5) Improving public health. Many of us owe our lives — literally — to the government. The greatest advances in longevity are due to public-sanitation measures such as water treatment, sewer systems and trash disposal. The Food and Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, and thousands of federal, state and local agencies keep us safer and healthier than we’d be in their absence. In addition, public dollars fund most of the basic research that private companies turn into life-saving drugs.

The 10 best things government has done for us - Rex Nutting - MarketWatch

Just goes to show how poorly you are informed. Most of the funding for schools comes from the state and local communities, not the Federal Govt. That is where healthcare belongs, in the states. Most of the funding for state infrastructure programs come from the state and local communities. You simply don't understand what your taxes fund and how much you will get from those Federal entitlement dollars you spend.

Retiring with Dignity? LOL, wait until you see how much money you get when you retire with most receiving benefits that put them well below the poverty level.

Improving healthcare? Do you get to keep your doctor and healthcare plan if you want to? I lost my doctor when I became eligible for Medicare which I was forced to contribute to my entire working career.

Boo, you just continue to show how easily you are swayed by feel good rhetoric and rather than do your own research you buy what you are told. There is nothing that the govt. does prudently and efficiently and even with a 17.3 trillion dollar debt you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric.

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

mak2 said:
But...but...but Gooberment bad...

You people are amazing, 17.3 trillion in debt, trillions of unfunded mandates in SS and Medicare, millions and millions uninsured on a program that has rising costs and still pile on bigger and more govt? Wow, guess it doesn't matter as long as someone else is paying

mak2 · Apr 7, 2014

You people?

Conservative said:
You people are amazing, 17.3 trillion in debt, trillions of unfunded mandates in SS and Medicare, millions and millions uninsured on a program that has rising costs and still pile on bigger and more govt? Wow, guess it doesn't matter as long as someone else is paying

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

mak2 said:
You people?

Anyone that says that ACA enrollment/govt. program and the unemployment numbers are good because there were 7.1 million reportedly insured and 192,000 jobs created. both continue to show how disastrous the Obama economic policies are

mak2 · Apr 7, 2014

I dont care even a whit about ACA, I just hope it is the first step to UHC.

Conservative said:
Anyone that says that ACA enrollment/govt. program and the unemployment numbers are good because there were 7.1 million reportedly insured and 192,000 jobs created. both continue to show how disastrous the Obama economic policies are

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

mak2 said:
I dont care even a whit about ACA, I just hope it is the first step to UHC.

Of course you do because Medicare is such a rousing success, high costs, high debt, and poor coverage. Doesn't matter, does it because people can go to the doctors that accept Medicare even if not their own. Trillions in unfunded mandates and yet you still support UHC? Wow

Unitedwestand13 · Apr 7, 2014

Conservative said:
Just goes to show how poorly you are informed. Most of the funding for schools comes from the state and local communities, not the Federal Govt. That is where healthcare belongs, in the states. Most of the funding for state infrastructure programs come from the state and local communities. You simply don't understand what your taxes fund and how much you will get from those Federal entitlement dollars you spend.

Retiring with Dignity? LOL, wait until you see how much money you get when you retire with most receiving benefits that put them well below the poverty level.

Improving healthcare? Do you get to keep your doctor and healthcare plan if you want to? I lost my doctor when I became eligible for Medicare which I was forced to contribute to my entire working career.

Boo, you just continue to show how easily you are swayed by feel good rhetoric and rather than do your own research you buy what you are told. There is nothing that the govt. does prudently and efficiently and even with a 17.3 trillion dollar debt you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric.

17 trillion in paper currency or millions of lives protected from sickness. Given the choice I would choose the latter over the former.

mak2 · Apr 7, 2014

I know, our old system was such a sucess. By far the most expensive and getting more so every year, and yet offered medicore results. Then there is the literal world of evidence demonstrating the superiority of UHC but, ready for it...gooberment bad. Yea, I know.

Conservative said:
Of course you do because Medicare is such a rousing success, high costs, high debt, and poor coverage. Doesn't matter, does it because people can go to the doctors that accept Medicare even if not their own. Trillions in unfunded mandates and yet you still support UHC? Wow

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

Unitedwestand13 said:
17 trillion in paper currency or millions of lives protected from sickness. Given the choice I would choose the latter over the former.

given the failure of Medicare to be efficient and bureaucrats not prudent with our money this is a failure of epic proportion. Cannot wait until some of you people who are so bullish on govt. run programs to be eligible for the programs you now tout. I turned 65 and was forced onto Medicare and lost my doctor and my hospital plus the deductibles were much, much higher than my insurance. You people buy what you are told and never verify what you are told thus thinking only with your hearts. Too bad, the trillions in debt have to be paid for and that UHC is one step closer to socialism and attempts at full redistributing wealth.

Oh, by the way the 250 billion a year being spent on debt service isn't paper, it is money that could have been spent actually helping people

99percenter · Apr 7, 2014

Conservative said:
Anyone that says that ACA enrollment/govt. program and the unemployment numbers are good because there were 7.1 million reportedly insured and 192,000 jobs created. both continue to show how disastrous the Obama economic policies are

This guy likes ACA. In fact, he invented it.

sangha · Apr 7, 2014

As the above chart shows, the uninsured rate has gone from a high of 18% down to 15.6%, a drop of 2.4%. In a nation of approx 320 million, that means 7,680,000 more people who have insurance

Now it's time for all the people who have blamed every bad thing that's happened to health care since 2010 on ACA to explain how the drop has nothing to do with ACA

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

mak2 said:
I know, our old system was such a sucess. By far the most expensive and getting more so every year, and yet offered medicore results. Then there is the literal world of evidence demonstrating the superiority of UHC but, ready for it...gooberment bad. Yea, I know.

Really, you believe there is evidence of UHC success? where and what is your definition of success, long wait times, inefficient administrative support, high debt?

Conservative · Apr 7, 2014

sangha said:
As the above chart shows, the uninsured rate has gone from a high of 18% down to 15.6%, a drop of 2.4%. In a nation of approx 320 million, that means 7,680,000 more people who have insurance

Now it's time for all the people who have blamed every bad thing that's happened to health care since 2010 on ACA to explain how the drop has nothing to do with ACA

Wow, that is awesome news, how did they get that information and cannot tell who signed up, who paid, and how many were eligible for Medicaid? Interesting that this Administration has no problem posting numbers like this and touting them but never explaining them. The old shell game that you want to continue to buy?

Oh, by the way, is that 14.6% in 2008 uninsured the number during that evil GW Bush term?

Boo Radley · Apr 7, 2014

clownboy said:
Look at the OP. Again, how many of those are insured? Of those actually insured, how many have just tripped over to Medicaid and how many are paying customers? The admin isn't going to let on there.

That doesn't make the suggestion you did. You said: It does seem to be presented that way. Are you expecting a parade with fireworks?

I'm not asking about your question. I'm asking what evidence you have of them not talking about it separately.

Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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