Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

Mithros · Apr 2, 2014

sangha said:
Your projections of insolvency are contradicted by the facts, and further supported by the rights complete and utter failure to make any accurate predictions relating to ACA

Eohrnberger does raise an interesting question; albeit indirectly. Say someone's predictions prove to be consistently and catastrophically wrong. They then make a new prediction. Can we use their prediction itself as evidence that it won't come true?

sangha · Apr 2, 2014

tres borrachos said:
I'm talking about the number Obama spoke about in the Rose Garden yesterday. 7.1 million. You can Google it and get the clips.

If you trace back the posts, you will see that this discussion is not limited to to just the people who bought plans through the exchange

Your attempt to limit the discussion is a fail

sangha · Apr 2, 2014

Mithros said:
Eohrnberger does raise an interesting question; albeit indirectly. Say someone's predictions prove to be consistently and catastrophically wrong. They then make a new prediction. Can we use their prediction itself as evidence that it won't come true?

Given how catastrophically wrong the right's predictions have been, I'm inclined to say yes

Mr.Nick · Apr 2, 2014

sangha said:
Given how catastrophically wrong the right's predictions have been, I'm inclined to say yes

The right has been correct about everything when it comes to Obamacare.

iguanaman · Apr 2, 2014

Mithros said:
Eohrnberger does raise an interesting question; albeit indirectly. Say someone's predictions prove to be consistently and catastrophically wrong. They then make a new prediction. Can we use their prediction itself as evidence that it won't come true?

No but predictions that DID come true like the # of signups are a good indicator that others made by the CBO at that time are also true. None of predictions of failure on the other hand have been true leading to the conclusion that they are wrong. Plus the fact that the GOP has been on the wrong side of just about every issue that is important to Americans today and you get the idea.

iguanaman · Apr 2, 2014

Mr.Nick said:
The right has been correct about everything when it comes to Obamacare.

Yea the predicted 7million plus sign-ups and the rising popularity of the ACA perfectly.

iguanaman · Apr 2, 2014

Jerry said:
How many were uninsured before Obama, and of those, how many have actually paid their first premium?

What is the demographic brake down for who chose what kind of plan?

Grasping at straws, huh? I'm afraid this time you just get lemons.
You could use the CBO numbers for those others, they were right about # of signups.

Mr.Nick · Apr 2, 2014

iguanaman said:
Yea the predicted 7million plus sign-ups and the rising popularity of the ACA perfectly.

There was no 7 million "predicted."

Wow, 2.3% of the population are now enrolled under Obamacare.

I wonder how many people LOST their private plans due to Obamacare? Ever think about that?

Wasn't this program - in the progressive mind - supposed to insure the previously uninsured?

For all we know there are more uninsured individuals out there now than there were before Obamacare was even forced on the people - or in other words a net loss.

Either way 7 million is absolutely NOTHING in a nation of 300 million people.

Obamacare ISN'T popular - Thanks to the mandate some people are scared that if they don't sign up they will be hit with fines - so basically Obama and the rest of the progressives are holding a gun to peoples heads telling them they HAVE TO SIGN UP or face the consequences and the best part even those threats aren't enough to get individuals signed up.

Oh, not to mention - who knows how many of those who are enrolled actually applied for an exemption or waiver from the program?

This program is an epic disaster and has been a disaster since day one!!

iguanaman · Apr 2, 2014

Mr.Nick said:
Wow, 2.2% of the population is now enrolled under Obamacare.

I wonder how many people LOST their private plans due to Obamacare? Ever think about that?

Wasn't this program - in the progressive mind - supposed to insure the previously uninsured?

For all we know there are more uninsured individuals out there now than there were before Obamacare was even forced on the people - or in other words a net loss.

Either way 7 million is absolutely NOTHING in a nation of 300 million people.

Obamacare ISN'T popular - Thanks to the mandate some people are scared that if they don't sign up they will be hit with fines - so basically Obama and the rest of the progressives are holding a gun to peoples heads telling them they HAVE TO SIGN UP or face the consequences and the best part even those threats aren't enough to get individuals signed up.

Oh, not to mention - who knows how many of those who are enrolled actually applied for an exemption or waiver from the program?

This program is an epic disaster and has been a disaster since day one!!

Yawn. That is exactly what the GOP has been saying for years, but unfortunately for you it is not true no matter how many times you say it or how much you want it to be. Sooner or later you all will go crawling back into your holes and enjoy the benefits of the ACA while grumbling under your breath. Just like your ancestors did with Social Security and Medicare. How special.

Mr.Nick · Apr 2, 2014

iguanaman said:
Yea the predicted 7million plus sign-ups and the rising popularity of the ACA perfectly.

Also the sign-ups don't mean anything. Those "sign-ups" are people asking for Obamacare and asking for an exemption/waiver from Obamacare....

This program is an epic failure.

Fenton · Apr 2, 2014

Have they given any context to this number or are we all supposed to behave like low information lemmings and put a check in the W Column ?

It would seem the lack of context would concern your average American.

You know, given this Presidents inclination to lie repeatedly.

Mr.Nick · Apr 2, 2014

iguanaman said:
Yawn. That is exactly what the GOP has been saying for years, but unfortunately for you it is not true no matter how many times you say it or how much you want it to be.

Yeah, because 7 million is NOT 2.3% of the population right???

Because tons haven't lost their insurance plans because they didn't meet government regulations right?

Because there are no waivers or exemptions right?

SHOW ME WHERE I WAS WRONG.

Everything I stated was FACT and if you're going to say otherwise then prove it...

Mr.Nick · Apr 2, 2014

Fenton said:
Have they given any context to this number or are we all supposed to behave like low information lemmings and put a check in the W Column ?

It would seem the lack of context would concern your average American.

You know, given this Presidents inclination to lie repeatedly.

The idea that these partisan hacks actually believe that Obamacare is a success because 2.3% of the population has signed up (and 3 million actually waited until the deadline to do so) is absolutely laughable and speaks volumes as to how brainwashed these people are.

Also, I love how the leftist propaganda media reports it as 7 million, and the only reason why is because 7 million sounds a lot better than 2.3%... Of course that is just more proof that the media loves these communists.

sangha · Apr 2, 2014

Mr.Nick said:
Yeah, because 7 million is NOT 2.3% of the population right???

Because tons haven't lost their insurance plans because they didn't meet government regulations right?

Because there are no waivers or exemptions right?

SHOW ME WHERE I WAS WRONG.

The correct # is 17+million and that is more than 5% of the population

JasperL · Apr 2, 2014

sangha said:
The correct # is 17+million and that is more than 5% of the population

Right, and in the first year of operation, after years of GOP obstructionism and 24/7 negative publicity intended to drive that number to zero if possible.

The CBO estimates that by 2017, the net increase in those covered by insurance will be about 25 million, or 13% of the adult population under 65.

mac · Apr 2, 2014

iguanaman said:
Yes, that is what is being announced. It seems that the GOP hope for demise of the ACA has failed miserably. I am not surprised. There is a precedent for them to be on the losing side and it seems to be pickling up steam...like the ACA

Carney: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million - CNN.com

Well, there was supposedly 48 million uninsured....and Obamacare is mandatory, so....yeah.

Besides, they're lying about the numbers. All of them.

eohrnberger · Apr 2, 2014

Mr.Nick said:
There was no 7 million "predicted."

Wow, 2.3% of the population are now enrolled under Obamacare.

I wonder how many people LOST their private plans due to Obamacare? Ever think about that?

Wasn't this program - in the progressive mind - supposed to insure the previously uninsured?

For all we know there are more uninsured individuals out there now than there were before Obamacare was even forced on the people - or in other words a net loss.

Either way 7 million is absolutely NOTHING in a nation of 300 million people.

Obamacare ISN'T popular - Thanks to the mandate some people are scared that if they don't sign up they will be hit with fines - so basically Obama and the rest of the progressives are holding a gun to peoples heads telling them they HAVE TO SIGN UP or face the consequences and the best part even those threats aren't enough to get individuals signed up.

Oh, not to mention - who knows how many of those who are enrolled actually applied for an exemption or waiver from the program?

This program is an epic disaster and has been a disaster since day one!!

Near as I can figure and near as I've heard, as prognostications and everyone's numbers are being thrown all over the place, I'm thinking it's about a wash.

The number of people thrown out of their selected plans which haven't signed up is about equal to the number of people without insurance previously that have signed up.

Now, what's 'signed up'? Does this represent a paying and enrolled patient? No one knows, and no one's sure. It's a sure bet that the White House knows, but they are not talking, so it makes me think that it's not a good number, so rather they are trumpeting the numbers that make them look good.

Well? What else would you expect from politicians in general, and this president and this administration in particular? Always bury the bad news, and trumpet the good news (maybe the electorate won't notice the bad news, eh?

Mr.Nick · Apr 2, 2014

sangha said:
The correct # is 17+million and that is more than 5% of the population

WRONG! it is 7 million which translates into 2.3% of the population, and if you have any numbers to backup your claim I would love to see your citation (which probably comes from Thinkprogress)...

sangha · Apr 2, 2014

Mr.Nick said:
WRONG! it is 7 million which translates into 2.3% of the population, and if you have any numbers to backup your claim I would love to see your citation (which probably comes from Thinkprogress)...

Mr.Nick · Apr 2, 2014

eohrnberger said:
Near as I can figure and near as I've heard, as prognostications and everyone's numbers are being thrown all over the place, I'm thinking it's about a wash.

The number of people thrown out of their selected plans which haven't signed up is about equal to the number of people without insurance previously that have signed up.

Now, what's 'signed up'? Does this represent a paying and enrolled patient? No one knows, and no one's sure. It's a sure bet that the White House knows, but they are not talking, so it makes me think that it's not a good number, so rather they are trumpeting the numbers that make them look good.

Well? What else would you expect from politicians in general, and this president and this administration in particular? Always bury the bad news, and trumpet the good news (maybe the electorate won't notice the bad news, eh?

‘Obamacare’ enrollment deadline looms, or not | Al Jazeera America

There has been an individual mandate extension as well (waiver/exemption) until October of 2016..... Funny how the progressive media is NOT promoting that extension of 2 years for the individual mandate -- Instead they chose to promote March 31st.

Either way many are signing up right now for those extensions, exemptions and waivers and those numbers factor into that 7 million.

In reality all estimates are that less than 1 million have actually signed up for Obamacare with the intent of going along with the program or in other words taking a public taxpayer funded healthcare program.

In reality 2.3% of the population has "signed up" - not only for Obamacare but exemptions and waivers.

US Conservative · Apr 2, 2014

lolz. Shove your propaganda.

sangha said:

Mr.Nick · Apr 2, 2014

sangha said:

Just because you can show me a graph means absolutely nothing - especially when the ****ing dishonest prgressive media who love Obama care are reporting 7 million OR 2.3%.

Oh yeah, you will believe anything just as long as it supports big government programs supported by socialist progressives.

sangha · Apr 2, 2014

US Conservative · Apr 2, 2014

sangha said:

Well, at least you are being honest in your self assessment.

iguanaman · Apr 2, 2014

Mr.Nick said:
Yeah, because 7 million is NOT 2.3% of the population right???

Because tons haven't lost their insurance plans because they didn't meet government regulations right?

Because there are no waivers or exemptions right?

SHOW ME WHERE I WAS WRONG.

Everything I stated was FACT and if you're going to say otherwise then prove it...

The number of people who have actually lost HC coverage because of the ACA is closer to 500,000. Most all signed for new better plans or their cancellations were rescinded. Boehner received 4 Pinocchio's for that 6 million statement, yet you continue the lie.

Through an extensive reporting project, the Associated Press found at least 4.7 million Americans received notices about canceled policies; it could be higher.

Some of those policies, about half, were restored when Obama administratively allowed canceled plans to continue for another year and later through 2016.

Many others were moved to new plans, either through their insurance company or by purchasing a new policy on the marketplaces set up for Obamacare. The administration estimated that of the people with canceled plans, just 500,000 were left without coverage, and catastrophic coverage was extended to those individuals.

John Boehner says more people are uninsured since Obamacare took effect | PolitiFact

At least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gotten health insurance since Obamacare started, surveys and reports show
Rand has been polling 3,300 Americans monthly about their insurance choices since last fall. Researchers found that the share of adults ages 18 to 64 without health insurance has declined from 20.9% last fall to 16.6% as of March 22.

The decrease parallels a similar drop recorded by Gallup, which found in its national polling that the uninsured rate among adults had declined from 18% in the final quarter of last year to 15.9% through the first two months of 2014. Gallup's overall uninsured rate is lower than Rand's because it includes seniors on Medicare.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na...tional-20140331,0,5472960.story#ixzz2xliWckqj