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Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

US Conservative said:
You might be right, but I wont stop fighting even if that's the case. Maybe its the Churchill Ive been reading-but weve been here before.
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Unfortunately...we have too many Chamberlains in our government.
 
This latest update of over 7 million will probably rank as one of the greatest acheivements in American history, right up there with winning WW2, landing on the moon, and the election of Obama. 7.1 million. Unbelievable success and makes me proud to be an American. Cities all around the country big and small are celebrating. You would think its Mardi Gras. The joy, the enthusiasm as we stand in awe as a country, and as citizens.
 
sangha said:
You have a right to your own opinions. You don't have the right to your own facts

The results, which have exceeded projections, have shown that costs are going down.
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Insolvency will result in the conditions that I eluded to, namely more qualifying for subsidies than those that are paying for them. That would result in insolvency, would it not?

I figure that you just like to always bust my chops, and always take my posts in such a way that you feel justified in doing so somehow. Doesn't really say much about me, but speaks volumes about you. Why are you so bitter? Why are you so aggressive? Intolerant of others that have their own opinions? Different opinions than yours?
 
eohrnberger said:
Insolvency will result in the conditions that I eluded to, namely more qualifying for subsidies than those that are paying for them. That would result in insolvency, would it not?
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Your projections of insolvency are contradicted by the facts, and further supported by the rights complete and utter failure to make any accurate predictions relating to ACA
 
How can 7 million be touted as a success when dollar one has not been paid on those policies?
 
iguanaman said:
Yes, that is what is being announced. It seems that the GOP hope for demise of the ACA has failed miserably. I am not surprised. There is a precedent for them to be on the losing side and it seems to be pickling up steam...like the ACA



Carney: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million - CNN.com
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It isn't just Republicans that don't like Obamacare. It's Democrats too. They want single payer, and I don't blame them. Obamacare is better than nothing, but it's not such a great program.
 
Erod said:
This is an infinitesimally small fraction of the 48 million uninsured that it was targeted for.
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I feel like I should also point out that the 7 million enrolled in the exchanges does not include as many as 2 million more who became covered under the medicaid expansion. And that number would be higher had 20+ states not rejected the increased medicaid funding.

I also feel like I should point out that there is a difference between losing insurance and losing coverage. While some of those enrollments may very well be from people who are replacing outdated insurance policies, I am heartened when I see that some 64% of exchange enrollees are aged 18-55, ages where you generally expect to see the least amount of health concerns popping up (as a general trend, compared to the whole population). With that in mind and the fact that millions more have other private insurance or are covered through medicaid/medicare and its derivatives, the health market just got a lot healthier.
 
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darkrecess said:
I feel like I should also point out that the 7 million enrolled in the exchanges does not include as many as 2 million more who became covered under the medicaid expansion. And that number would be higher had 20+ states not rejected the increased medicaid funding.
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Its still a pathetically small number, why do you think the democrat party hyped the ACA when it has turned out like this? Probably just to play politics, right?
 
US Conservative said:
Its still a pathetically small number, why do you think the democrat party hyped the ACA when it has turned out like this? Probably just to play politics, right?
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Actually it's a damn huge number. I wish there was a real way to know how many of the 7 million were from the previously uninsured, but I can bet most of the 2 million medicaid expansion enrollee's were previously uninsured. Now we just need to find a way to further expand medicaid into states like Louisiana and Georgia, states where there is almost a real health care crisis due to the huge numbers of uninsured Americans. And considering this is the first year that the law has been active (the exchanges and what not), it will take a few years to get people into the system.

What would really help is if conservatives weren't forcing austerity upon us like some kind of miracle cure.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes, that is what is being announced. It seems that the GOP hope for demise of the ACA has failed miserably. I am not surprised. There is a precedent for them to be on the losing side and it seems to be pickling up steam...like the ACA

Carney: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million - CNN.com
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How many were uninsured before Obama, and of those, how many have actually paid their first premium?

What is the demographic brake down for who chose what kind of plan?
 
darkrecess said:
Actually it's a damn huge number.
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Lets pretend the figure given by the whitehouse is correct. Thats 2% of the population, and of those only a small fraction didn't have coverage before.

2% is not a "damn huge number", especially after a unilateral democrat party mandate.
 
tres borrachos said:
It's a huge success. A hugely successful gigantic entitlement program.

Now what about affordable healthcare for everyone else? This bill will not lower costs. Doesn't Obama care about the 150 million working Americans who get insurance through our employers?
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Obama hates employers---- "they didn't build that".
 
What I expect to happen now is the RWers starting to talk about overcrowding in ERs due to them people suddenly having insurnace and seeking excessive healtcare. And Mrs Jones in Newark could not get her Tuesday afternoon appointment because her doctor was booked or something. Guess they woudl have to admit more people have insurance to say that. Well, bet that is next anyway.
 
I had not heard a figure on how many had real insurance before. Do you have reliable numbers or are you just saying "small fraction" to stick with the talking points?
US Conservative said:
Lets pretend the figure given by the whitehouse is correct. Thats 2% of the population, and of those only a small fraction didn't have coverage before.

2% is not a "damn huge number", especially after a unilateral democrat party mandate.
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US Conservative said:
Lets pretend the figure given by the whitehouse is correct. Thats 2% of the population, and of those only a small fraction didn't have coverage before.

2% is not a "damn huge number", especially after a unilateral democrat party mandate.
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In October Jay Carney said that 6 million people was a "small sliver" of the population. 7 million people would have to also be considered a small sliver - a small number.
 
upsideguy said:
It seems that first year of Obamacare has reduced the number of uninsured by more than 20%.... I would say that isn't bad, especially given all those that were working to ensure failure by denying the expansion of medicaid or not having state specific websites. Despite the best efforts to the Cons to undermine the law of the land, the Cons, in their typical inept fashion, have failed to kill the law..... if they were smart (which they are not), they would focus on fixing the law, as their continued efforts to sabotage it will backfire on them.....

Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
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No, it hasn't. It's shifted people from one insurance carrier to another, and much of the rest still hasn't paid.

Interesting how nobody can tell us just who' paid and who hasn't. Quite convenient.
 
darkrecess said:
I feel like I should also point out that the 7 million enrolled in the exchanges does not include as many as 2 million more who became covered under the medicaid expansion. And that number would be higher had 20+ states not rejected the increased medicaid funding.

I also feel like I should point out that there is a difference between losing insurance and losing coverage. While some of those enrollments may very well be from people who are replacing outdated insurance policies, I am heartened when I see that some 64% of exchange enrollees are aged 18-55, ages where you generally expect to see the least amount of health concerns popping up (as a general trend, compared to the whole population). With that in mind and the fact that millions more have other private insurance or are covered through medicaid/medicare and its derivatives, the health market just got a lot healthier.
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Except many of these particular 18-55 folks have serious immediate need. And again, we still have no idea how many are actually paying. Signing up on a website means almost nothing.
 
tres borrachos said:
In October Jay Carney said that 6 million people was a "small sliver" of the population. 7 million people would have to also be considered a small sliver - a small number.
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The # is more than 17 million.

With an approx population of 320 million that means that 5% of the population received coverage through the ACA. That would make it the largest single expansion of insurance coverage in generations.

As Biden said, it's a BFD
 
eohrnberger said:
If that's the way it works out, sure, and who could blame them? If it doesn't work out that way, they'll vote for the other side in ever increasing numbers, for a great long time.

If it doesn't, anything that would increase costs to health insurance would then have to come from the already over strained general fund (buried and obscured), just to ensure the Democrats political survival. That'll require an equally unpopular action: raising taxes even higher.

Democrats now 'own' US healthcare. Any dissatisfaction with any part off the insurance side or any part of the medical treatment side is going land in the Democrat's lap, rightly or wrongly. Part of the function of managing healthcare is that you inevitably are going to have to deny coverage of somethings to some people, it's unreasonable to believe that everything can be covered fro everyone. Witness the UK NHS, short on money, they are now not covering some procedures that they used to, and the people don't like. Why should they? Government takes their money and delivers less of poorer quality. What's to like? Likely same will occur here after a number of years.

It's one hell of a bet to make with the future of your entire party, that government can actually deliver a satisfactory, one size fits all solution for everyone. Not a bet that I'd have made.
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Yes Democrats own HC reform just like they own Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the civil rights act. Republicans own the Iraq war, tax cuts for the rich and corporate welfare. Are you beginning to see why the GOP does not have a prayer at winning national elections? That they can kiss the Whitehouse goodbye for another generation? Until the Reps go back to acting like Democrat "light" they are toast.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes Democrats own HC reform just like they own Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the civil rights act.
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Historical revisionism at work here again? (Civil Rights related).

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iguanaman said:
Republicans own the Iraq war
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Inaccurate, the Iraq war was voted on in congress with bi-partisan support.

iguanaman said:
tax cuts for the rich and corporate welfare
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Specifically which tax cuts? The Bush tax cuts were also bi-partisan supported, if I reacall.

iguanaman said:
Are you beginning to see why the GOP does not have a prayer at winning national elections? That they can kiss the Whitehouse goodbye for another generation? Until the Reps go back to acting like Democrat "light" they are toast.
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Sorry, I don't think so. But then, the future is not yet written. Even Nate Silver give the Republicans a 60% chance of taking the Senate in 2014 midterms.
 
eohrnberger said:
Historical revisionism at work here again? (Civil Rights related).

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Inaccurate, the Iraq war was voted on in congress with bi-partisan support.



Specifically which tax cuts? The Bush tax cuts were also bi-partisan supported, if I reacall.



Sorry, I don't think so. But then, the future is not yet written. Even Nate Silver give the Republicans a 60% chance of taking the Senate in 2014 midterms.
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Nate's predictions were premature, Dems will hold the Senate and take the House and the Whitehouse again in 2016. Count on it.
 
iguanaman said:
Nate's predictions were premature, Dems will hold the Senate and take the House and the Whitehouse again in 2016. Count on it.
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I'm withholding my prognostication and will only add that the voting and counting hasn't been done yet.
 
sangha said:
The # is more than 17 million.

With an approx population of 320 million that means that 5% of the population received coverage through the ACA. That would make it the largest single expansion of insurance coverage in generations.

As Biden said, it's a BFD
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I'm talking about the number Obama spoke about in the Rose Garden yesterday. 7.1 million. You can Google it and get the clips.
 
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