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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Those other people also vote. And every year they'll have to go through the healthcare selection in October, just weeks before November elections. So every year ObamaCare and the Democrats are going to have to do a high wire act, as the people who actually pay into the system see their money evaporate into higher preimums and higher deductibles. Just a few weeks before the November elections.
    Yes, every year they will compare the prices and deductibles of plans both on and off the exchange and as they see how the plans on the exchange are cheaper, they will vote for the people who made those cheaper plans available to them.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's a huge success. A hugely successful gigantic entitlement program.

    Now what about affordable healthcare for everyone else? This bill will not lower costs. Doesn't Obama care about the 150 million working Americans who get insurance through our employers?
    There are lower drug costs, insurer "take" is limited to 15% of premiums, no more pre-existing conditions or phony policies that don't pay and more but guess what? Your policy might still go up because it HAS been going up every year. Yours might go up less though and at least you know you are covered. You never really know how good your old policy was either.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, every year they will compare the prices and deductibles of plans both on and off the exchange and as they see how the plans on the exchange are cheaper, they will vote for the people who made those cheaper plans available to them.
    If that's the way it works out, sure, and who could blame them? If it doesn't work out that way, they'll vote for the other side in ever increasing numbers, for a great long time.

    If it doesn't, anything that would increase costs to health insurance would then have to come from the already over strained general fund (buried and obscured), just to ensure the Democrats political survival. That'll require an equally unpopular action: raising taxes even higher.

    Democrats now 'own' US healthcare. Any dissatisfaction with any part off the insurance side or any part of the medical treatment side is going land in the Democrat's lap, rightly or wrongly. Part of the function of managing healthcare is that you inevitably are going to have to deny coverage of somethings to some people, it's unreasonable to believe that everything can be covered fro everyone. Witness the UK NHS, short on money, they are now not covering some procedures that they used to, and the people don't like. Why should they? Government takes their money and delivers less of poorer quality. What's to like? Likely same will occur here after a number of years.

    It's one hell of a bet to make with the future of your entire party, that government can actually deliver a satisfactory, one size fits all solution for everyone. Not a bet that I'd have made.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There are lower drug costs, insurer "take" is limited to 15% of premiums, no more pre-existing conditions or phony policies that don't pay and more but guess what? Your policy might still go up because it HAS been going up every year. Yours might go up less though and at least you know you are covered. You never really know how good your old policy was either.
    And that inevitable yearly cost increase is now going to be 'owned' by the Democrats, rightly or wrongly, it still will be. And will make itself known when the health care selection forms are handed out, middle of October or so, every year. Just ahead of the November elections. Timing couldn't be better.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million


    Krauthammer guts it.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If that's the way it works out, sure, and who could blame them? If it doesn't work out that way, they'll vote for the other side in ever increasing numbers, for a great long time.
    Given the results, which have exceeded projections, it appears to be working out

    If it doesn't, anything that would increase costs to health insurance would then have to come from the already over strained general fund (buried and obscured), just to ensure the Democrats political survival. That'll require an equally unpopular action: raising taxes even higher.
    ACA is funded with specific taxes and not from the general fund.

    Democrats now 'own' US healthcare. Any dissatisfaction with any part off the insurance side or any part of the medical treatment side is going land in the Democrat's lap, rightly or wrongly. Part of the function of managing healthcare is that you inevitably are going to have to deny coverage of somethings to some people, it's unreasonable to believe that everything can be covered fro everyone. Witness the UK NHS, short on money, they are now not covering some procedures that they used to, and the people don't like. Why should they? Government takes their money and delivers less of poorer quality. What's to like? Likely same will occur here after a number of years.
    And satisfaction will land in the Democrats lap, which is the GOP's worst nightmare. That's why they have been constantly lying about ACA - in order to "poison the well"

    They failed


    It's one hell of a bet to make with the future of your entire party, that government can actually deliver a satisfactory, one size fits all solution for everyone. Not a bet that I'd have made.
    Yeah, because Medicare and SS was such a fail. People hate those programs
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    What a completely doctored statistical lump of BS. Everybody knows this is an absurd lie.

    And let's pretend for a make-believe moment it is true.

    These are people who had insurance, had it taken away, and had to sign up again. These are young people who haven't/won't pay. These are people already in supreme need of costly healthcare. These are God knows how many liberals who gladly cancelled what they had to help the numbers. And these are curious and invested media types and others wanting to see if the website will work.

    But wallow in fantasy world if it makes you feel good.

    This is an infinitesimally small fraction of the 48 million uninsured that it was targeted for.
    It seems that first year of Obamacare has reduced the number of uninsured by more than 20%.... I would say that isn't bad, especially given all those that were working to ensure failure by denying the expansion of medicaid or not having state specific websites. Despite the best efforts to the Cons to undermine the law of the land, the Cons, in their typical inept fashion, have failed to kill the law..... if they were smart (which they are not), they would focus on fixing the law, as their continued efforts to sabotage it will backfire on them.....

    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Given the results, which have exceeded projections, it appears to be working out
    I'm not certain that such early projects are a good indicator of how this is going to perform over the long haul.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    ACA is funded with specific taxes and not from the general fund.
    True at present, however, easily changed if and when it is becomes fiscally non-viable.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And satisfaction will land in the Democrats lap, which is the GOP's worst nightmare. That's why they have been constantly lying about ACA - in order to "poison the well"

    They failed
    Guess we'll see.


    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yeah, because Medicare and SS was such a fail. People hate those programs
    It's a completely different thing, and is most certainly not like Medicare and SS, other than yet another entitlement program.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post

    Krauthammer guts it.
    That argument is getting weaker and weaker as the denominator grows... the argument is now bordering on a pathetic attempt at denying reality.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That argument is getting weaker and weaker as the denominator grows... the argument is now bordering on a pathetic attempt at denying reality.
    Reality would suggest otherwise.

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