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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then I suggest people using that supposed quote realize that
    So, you know you over generalize? Do you know why that is wrong?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, you know you over generalize? Do you know why that is wrong?
    Your opinion noted, do I know why what is wrong, deficits don't matter?


    Reagan tripled the deficits which were still 50% of GDP yet generated 17 million jobs, doubled GDP, had a 60% increase in FIT revenue, and created a peace dividend. Generate those kind of results and deficits don't really matter because those kind of deficits increase the GDP thus the ability to pay for them

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted, do I know why what is wrong, deficits don't matter?


    Reagan tripled the deficits which were still 50% of GDP yet generated 17 million jobs, doubled GDP, had a 60% increase in FIT revenue, and created a peace dividend. Generate those kind of results and deficits don't really matter because those kind of deficits increase the GDP thus the ability to pay for them
    Outside of republicans during Bush's terms (as well as Regan's), I don't know any significant number arguing that they don't matter. And no, Regan was lucky to be president at the right time for job growth. It's a myth that he grew them. Presidents don't have that kind of influence.

    GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.


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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Outside of republicans during Bush's terms (as well as Regan's), I don't know any significant number arguing that they don't matter. And no, Regan was lucky to be president at the right time for job growth. It's a myth that he grew them. Presidents don't have that kind of influence.

    GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.


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    So economic policies, taxes, regulations have nothing to do with how a business makes its decisions? Wow! This is an example of liberalism and total lack of understanding of human behavior as well as business activities

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    So economic policies, taxes, regulations have nothing to do with how a business makes its decisions? Wow! This is an example of liberalism and total lack of understanding of human behavior as well as business activities
    Far less than you think. And I do keep giving you studies and facts on that. None of them change behavior enough. If someone is buying, someone will sell. Everyone around the world works within the system they use. Government has far less to do with it than many other factors.

    Dubner: Look, personally, I have no horse in any race -- I dislike both political parties about equally. But here's the thing: We're heading into a presidential campaign now that is likely to focus on the economy, and rightly so. And I'm here to tell you and your listeners that of all the areas in which the president's influence is overrated, the economy is probably No. 1.

    http://www.marketplace.org/topics/ec...luence-economy

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Far less than you think. And I do keep giving you studies and facts on that. None of them change behavior enough. If someone is buying, someone will sell. Everyone around the world works within the system they use. Government has far less to do with it than many other factors.

    Dubner: Look, personally, I have no horse in any race -- I dislike both political parties about equally. But here's the thing: We're heading into a presidential campaign now that is likely to focus on the economy, and rightly so. And I'm here to tell you and your listeners that of all the areas in which the president's influence is overrated, the economy is probably No. 1.

    Does the president actually influence the economy? | Marketplace.org
    Just goes to show how little you know or understand about the business decision making process as well as how poorly many economists are. Businesses cannot print money and have to do it the old fashion way, earn it. When you raise taxes, raise regulations, create things like ACA you impact the decision making process and that affects people's lives and business performance. Seems you have no idea what goes on in the business boardroom or at the kitchen table with small businesses. I have been in both and can tell you specifically you have no idea what you are talking about nor do anyone else that says economic policies don't have much impact on business decision making processes.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    I am going to lay out simply how Boo and other liberal progressives on this board get away with avoiding the actual subject and derailing a thread...This is a prime example....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative
    In what context was the statement made? what was the debt after the deficits during the Bush term as a percentage of GDP at the time since liberals always care about percentages?
    The two part question in bold is clearly the what should be addressed in the reply, but is this what happens from Boo? No.....Instead we get a logical fallacy, and emotion laced, butt hurt response making it about Conservative the person, instead of answering the question asked....

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    It's still an over generalization, just as your statement here is.
    And what is Boo so butt hurt over? Allow me to post it in the exact way he did....liberals always.....I actually included the "s" since we are nitpicking here....It is clear that he was so frustrated that Conservative made a statement about "liberals" that he knee jerked a response meant to be cute, and deflect, but in haste couldn't even get all the letters involved in his stupid, snarky response...It is an epic fail! Why? because it is based on emotion over what liberals do rather than addressing the question...In any debate he would lose.

    So, just a bit of advice Boo, why don't you stop crying about what someone thinks "liberals" do, and stick to the question?....I personally think it was over your head, but that's just me.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just goes to show how little you know or understand about the business decision making process as well as how poorly many economists are. Businesses cannot print money and have to do it the old fashion way, earn it. When you raise taxes, raise regulations, create things like ACA you impact the decision making process and that affects people's lives and business performance. Seems you have no idea what goes on in the business boardroom or at the kitchen table with small businesses. I have been in both and can tell you specifically you have no idea what you are talking about nor do anyone else that says economic policies don't have much impact on business decision making processes.
    Yet, I keep giving studies, support and factual information. You keep giving over generalizations and insults. Wonder which is more likely to be true?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yet, I keep giving studies, support and factual information. You keep giving over generalizations and insults. Wonder which is more likely to be true?
    Studies don't make the payroll, pay for the mortgage, create shareholder value. What is more likely to be true are the actual results of businesses and their actions like moving to TX or offshoring.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am going to lay out simply how Boo and other liberal progressives on this board get away with avoiding the actual subject and derailing a thread...This is a prime example....

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    I suspect you will try, but miss the point.

    The two part question in bold is clearly the what should be addressed in the reply, but is this what happens from Boo? No.....Instead we get a logical fallacy, and emotion laced, butt hurt response making it about Conservative the person, instead of answering the question asked....
    The points in bold have no meaning to the conversation. It wasn't about the context, as an over generalization is an over generalization in any context. If you go back you will see I noted that. No context makes ALL liberals or ALL conservatives anything.


    And what is Boo so butt hurt over? Allow me to post it in the exact way he did....liberals always.....I actually included the "s" since we are nitpicking here....It is clear that he was so frustrated that Conservative made a statement about "liberals" that he knee jerked a response meant to be cute, and deflect, but in haste couldn't even get all the letters involved in his stupid, snarky response...It is an epic fail! Why? because it is based on emotion over what liberals do rather than addressing the question...In any debate he would lose.

    So, just a bit of advice Boo, why don't you stop crying about what someone thinks "liberals" do, and stick to the question?....I personally think it was over your head, but that's just me.

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    If there is any frustration, which I rarely have, it's that he makes no point at all. He largely just rants about "liberals" instead of addressing any point on the board. If we are to elevate the discussion, instead of staying in no point land, we have to move beyond stupid over generalizations.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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