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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The # is >17 million
    Why not say 70 million, or 700 million. That's just as credible.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The big question is; will anyone hold the talking heads who guaranteed that the exchanges would not hit the 7 million number to account?

    Also.. How good was the CBO prediction. Half a percent error? That's pretty insane.
    Also, will anyone hold the "talking heads" to account that guaranteed we could keep the affordable insurance we had that included the benefits "we" needed and keep the doctors who we chose to provide our treatment? It was predictable that the Gov would meet the "number" some way or another. Naturally, they can't provide any information regarding new insured's versus those who were forced to get a new plan. And they can't tell us how many are receiving a subsidy, how many were forced to apply for Medicaid including how many actually were approved for Medicaid.

    The formula for determining eligibility for a subsidy didn't take into account an individual or families monthly income minus expenses; such as, mortgage payment or rent, loan payments(car, credit card, school)electric, gas, food, medical and so on. Therefore, regardless of ones income, one may not be able to afford premiums offered through the exchange and not be eligible for Medicaid. What about these ind/fams?

    So, it has never meant much to me whether X number of people sign up, but whether those that need insurance can afford it. And, whether premiums "for all" whether subsidized or not were reduced as promised. Thus far nothing has been done to actually lower the cost of providing health care. The costs of providing care that doctors, hospitals and other types of providers pay monthly have continued to increase(especially given the new regulations PPACA created); yet reimbursements by Medicare, Medicaid and Private Insurance have not increased but have remained stagnant for the last 15 years or more.

    What really screwed things up was the PPAC giving HHS the authority to determine the "minimal essential coverage". HHS pulled a fast one, mandating all plans provide maternity and newborn benefits regardless whether the insured person would ever need these benefits. Knowing full well that including coverage of these benefits would significantly increase premiums unnecessarily. What a crock!

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Ahhh, watching the right-wingers in tears, flailing about blurting out random Obama attacks in a fit of rage is wonderful.

    You all said it wouldn't work, couldn't work, the whole thing needed to be scrapped, you were wrong.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    the only reason this dumpster fire of a bill has stayed afloat is because the president keeps pushing back ALL parts of the law that PUNISH citizens with insurance terminations and monetary penalties. When Obama starts reaching into the average joe's wallet then we'll see how many liberals are still doing the happy dance.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    The only option left for the GOP is to repeal AND replace at the EXACT same time.
    If this were 50 years ago, we could get er done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Ahhh, watching the right-wingers in tears, flailing about blurting out random Obama attacks in a fit of rage is wonderful.
    You all said it wouldn't work, couldn't work, the whole thing needed to be scrapped, you were wrong.
    Ryan's budget released today, flying under the radar, assumes 2 trillion in savings over ten years from just repealing Obamacare .
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The only option left for the GOP is to repeal AND replace at the EXACT same time.
    If this were 50 years ago, we could get er done.

    Ryan's budget released today, flying under the radar, assumes 2 trillion in savings over ten years from just repealing Obamacare .
    November is going to hit you like a ton of bricks.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    The numbers game went out the window the minute it was learned that the president lied about people keeping their own insurance plans. Shocking isnt it that the fed killed 6 million already responsible peoples insurance and that those people then bought more insurance. Hell...kill another 40 million insurance plans and you should get another good 30-35 million enrollees...from people that were already previously insured. Imagine how good that number would look.

    Want to see the real fun...wait til after the November elections and they stop delaying full enforcement of the law. There is a reason why they keep putting it off and its NOT because they expect things to get better.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    November is going to hit you like a ton of bricks.
    Not to burst your bubble... but I doubt it will. They will keep delaying things, people keep voting mindlessly, and dems will likely hold the senate. Shortly after that full implementation will occur, unemployment will go up and more people will lose policies. Medicare enrollment will increase and the stage for 2016 will be set with the dems claiming what we REALLY need is Universal healthcare and MORE free government cheese. And I would lay money today on them winning in 2016 as well.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not to burst your bubble... but I doubt it will. They will keep delaying things, people keep voting mindlessly, and dems will likely hold the senate. Shortly after that full implementation will occur, unemployment will go up and more people will lose policies. Medicare enrollment will increase and the stage for 2016 will be set with the dems claiming what we REALLY need is Universal healthcare and MORE free government cheese. And I would lay money today on them winning in 2016 as well.
    You might be right, but I wont stop fighting even if that's the case. Maybe its the Churchill Ive been reading-but weve been here before.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    the only reason this dumpster fire of a bill has stayed afloat is because the president keeps pushing back ALL parts of the law that PUNISH citizens with insurance terminations and monetary penalties. When Obama starts reaching into the average joe's wallet then we'll see how many liberals are still doing the happy dance.
    'Cause you know it's just coming. Always does with the government. What it gives with one hand, it has to take away from others with the other hand.

    Those other people also vote. And every year they'll have to go through the healthcare selection in October, just weeks before November elections. So every year ObamaCare and the Democrats are going to have to do a high wire act, as the people who actually pay into the system see their money evaporate into higher preimums and higher deductibles. Just a few weeks before the November elections.

    And since the Democrats own 100% of ObamaCare, including the the bills that are going to be charged, well, the November elections are only a few weeks after healthcare selections start.

    The only thing that ObamaCare might try to do is to shift the start of healthcare selection until after the November elections, but how much luck are they going to have trying to shift long standing timelines of an entire industry, just for political advantage? Guess we'll see.

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