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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Those who actually outsource or offshore don't. And if you do as I have been doing (and linking a few) and look at the reasons actually for outsourcing or offshoring, taxes are rarely list. If so, usually low down the list. It's the cost of the employee (salary and benefits) that tops the list.
    Those businesses who directly service the consumer are generally stuck in the location they are servicing. However, most larger corps have the luxury of locating their business unit where it is most profitable for them to do so. Part of their overhead is the business tax rate where they locate.

    Look at Microsoft, why do you suppose they relocated from California to Washington. Wasn't for salaries. It was for the business taxes.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Those businesses who directly service the consumer are generally stuck in the location they are servicing. However, most larger corps have the luxury of locating their business unit where it is most profitable for them to do so. Part of their overhead is the business tax rate where they locate.

    Look at Microsoft, why do you suppose they relocated from California to Washington. Wasn't for salaries. It was for the business taxes.
    As I linked earlier, most effectively use tax loopholes not to pay taxes. So, when they are not paying taxes, there must logically be another reason. And competing against ourselves is stupid. That said, the leaving that takes them out of the country is of most concern. And whether they pay taxes or not, they still go. Not because of taxes, but due to wages. Texas for example offers low wage workers as well as taxes. India offers low wages and skilled works. Few to no one overseas doesn't have UHC, so the employer doesn't have to pay for it. All savings.

    The point is, taxes are the least of out problems on this issue.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Except that the reality is that profits and margins are at all time highs and there is certainly room for concessions to labor. Greed is not a business plan.
    And the companies making those record profits aren't paying minimum wage and have great benefit programs for their employees, however even they aren't going to hire with the incompetent we have in the WH and the uncertainty as to what their expenses are going to be or what their tax rates are going to be. Why would any CEO authorize an increase in hiring not knowing what the costs are going to be? Think about it

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I linked earlier, most effectively use tax loopholes not to pay taxes. So, when they are not paying taxes, there must logically be another reason. And competing against ourselves is stupid. That said, the leaving that takes them out of the country is of most concern. And whether they pay taxes or not, they still go. Not because of taxes, but due to wages. Texas for example offers low wage workers as well as taxes. India offers low wages and skilled works. Few to no one overseas doesn't have UHC, so the employer doesn't have to pay for it. All savings.

    The point is, taxes are the least of out problems on this issue.
    You keep believing that not that it matters what you think, You aren't an employer therefore your opinion is worth about as much as the cost to post here

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    yes, you know how to rant, but you're not a major company, you didn't run a major company, and you don't seem to know what goes into their decisions. It is being clearly stated in one link after another that taxes are not the main reason.
    LOL, you have no idea what I did but as usual you think you do just like you are an expert on every subject. I stand by my statement and my experience on this issue.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I linked earlier, most effectively use tax loopholes not to pay taxes. So, when they are not paying taxes, there must logically be another reason. And competing against ourselves is stupid. That said, the leaving that takes them out of the country is of most concern. And whether they pay taxes or not, they still go. Not because of taxes, but due to wages. Texas for example offers low wage workers as well as taxes. India offers low wages and skilled works. Few to no one overseas doesn't have UHC, so the employer doesn't have to pay for it. All savings.

    The point is, taxes are the least of out problems on this issue.
    Business taxes are NOT open to loophole or offset the way some other taxes are. Also you don't seem to understand the language. The political generalisation of wordings are not serving you well. We were talking about business taxes, not taxation in general. "Loopholes" are weaknesses in tax law and are not standard legal deductions that most businesses use.

    It's the overall picture that governs here. If business taxes are high, but wages low in one place it makes little sense to move where business taxes are low and wages higher. It's a balance. But when business taxes are high and wages are low, it makes sense for a mobile business to move where the business taxes are low and wages are the same as where you started out. It's a balance.

    Certainly there are other factors, employee availability, desire by the company heads to be national, physical facilities and supply, etc.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Business taxes are NOT open to loophole or offset the way some other taxes are. Also you don't seem to understand the language. The political generalisation of wordings are not serving you well. We were talking about business taxes, not taxation in general. "Loopholes" are weaknesses in tax law and are not standard legal deductions that most businesses use.

    It's the overall picture that governs here. If business taxes are high, but wages low in one place it makes little sense to move where business taxes are low and wages higher. It's a balance. But when business taxes are high and wages are low, it makes sense for a mobile business to move where the business taxes are low and wages are the same as where you started out. It's a balance.

    Certainly there are other factors, employee availability, desire by the company heads to be national, physical facilities and supply, etc.
    Really?

    Business Insider More:

    10 Giant Loopholes That Businesses Use To Dodge Taxes

    Read more: 10 Giant Loopholes That Businesses Use To Dodge Taxes - Business Insider

    Study: Big corporations use loopholes, dodge taxes

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/big-corporations-use-loopholes-dodge-taxes-study/2011/11/02/gIQAIalngM_story.html

    Boeing wont be paying any taxes this year [Boeing has big tax refund coming from Uncle Sam again, seattletimes.com, March 1].
    Instead, by deferring tax payments, it will be getting a $199 million refund. Its not alone; many corporations are avoiding taxes altogether through loopholes. In the Senate there is a bill that would close corporate tax loopholes that allow multinational corporations to hide their profits overseas to avoid paying taxes, and we should encourage Sens. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell to champion it.
    At least 82 of the top 100 publicly traded companies in America use tax havens like the Cayman Islands. Offshore tax dodging amounts to $150 billion a year in lost revenue costing the average small business in Washington $3,616 extra each year, according to WashPIRG data. Small businesses, like individual taxpayers, are obligated to pay their taxes, so why should multinational corporations get off the hook?

    Close corporate tax loopholes for large companies | Northwest Voices | Seattle Times





    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Really?

    Business Insider More:

    10 Giant Loopholes That Businesses Use To Dodge Taxes

    Read more: 10 Giant Loopholes That Businesses Use To Dodge Taxes - Business Insider

    Study: Big corporations use loopholes, dodge taxes

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/big-corporations-use-loopholes-dodge-taxes-study/2011/11/02/gIQAIalngM_story.html

    Boeing won’t be paying any taxes this year [“Boeing has big tax refund coming from Uncle Sam — again,” seattletimes.com, March 1].
    Instead, by deferring tax payments, it will be getting a $199 million refund. It’s not alone; many corporations are avoiding taxes altogether through loopholes. In the Senate there is a bill that would close corporate tax loopholes that allow multinational corporations to hide their profits overseas to avoid paying taxes, and we should encourage Sens. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell to champion it.
    At least 82 of the top 100 publicly traded companies in America use tax havens like the Cayman Islands. Offshore tax dodging amounts to $150 billion a year in lost revenue — costing the average small business in Washington $3,616 extra each year, according to WashPIRG data. Small businesses, like individual taxpayers, are obligated to pay their taxes, so why should multinational corporations get off the hook?

    Close corporate tax loopholes for large companies | Northwest Voices | Seattle Times




    please.. do you think every company can use those?... pulleezze... is this all you have?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Really?

    Business Insider More:

    10 Giant Loopholes That Businesses Use To Dodge Taxes

    Read more: 10 Giant Loopholes That Businesses Use To Dodge Taxes - Business Insider

    Study: Big corporations use loopholes, dodge taxes

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/big-corporations-use-loopholes-dodge-taxes-study/2011/11/02/gIQAIalngM_story.html

    Boeing won’t be paying any taxes this year [“Boeing has big tax refund coming from Uncle Sam — again,” seattletimes.com, March 1].
    Instead, by deferring tax payments, it will be getting a $199 million refund. It’s not alone; many corporations are avoiding taxes altogether through loopholes. In the Senate there is a bill that would close corporate tax loopholes that allow multinational corporations to hide their profits overseas to avoid paying taxes, and we should encourage Sens. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell to champion it.
    At least 82 of the top 100 publicly traded companies in America use tax havens like the Cayman Islands. Offshore tax dodging amounts to $150 billion a year in lost revenue — costing the average small business in Washington $3,616 extra each year, according to WashPIRG data. Small businesses, like individual taxpayers, are obligated to pay their taxes, so why should multinational corporations get off the hook?

    Close corporate tax loopholes for large companies | Northwest Voices | Seattle Times




    Read the bolded portion again. Notice the "multinational" part. These aren't US businesses anymore, they are world businesses. Able to be and often centered around the world.

    Now, go back and read the difference between "loophole" and "legal standard deduction".

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Business taxes are NOT open to loophole or offset the way some other taxes are. Also you don't seem to understand the language. The political generalisation of wordings are not serving you well. We were talking about business taxes, not taxation in general. "Loopholes" are weaknesses in tax law and are not standard legal deductions that most businesses use.

    It's the overall picture that governs here. If business taxes are high, but wages low in one place it makes little sense to move where business taxes are low and wages higher. It's a balance. But when business taxes are high and wages are low, it makes sense for a mobile business to move where the business taxes are low and wages are the same as where you started out. It's a balance.

    Certainly there are other factors, employee availability, desire by the company heads to be national, physical facilities and supply, etc.
    US.corporations pay one of the LOWEST rates in the developed world. The average rate is 12.6%.

    GAO: U.S. corporations pay average effective tax rate of 12.6% - Jul. 1, 2013

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