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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're absolutely wrong. Businesses leave all the time due to the tax environment. It's part of what drives the offshoring. YOU made the incorrect statement that they don't.
    But many economists and tax experts see no direct link (PDF) between these issues. "The connection between tax policy and jobs is pretty tenuous. The proposals are more political," says director of New York University's International Tax Program David Rosenbloom.

    Outsourcing Jobs and Taxes - Council on Foreign Relations

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I WISH that you were correct. That's not the case. In today's multi-national corporation world, US manufacturing jobs have been outsourced....NOT because people from other countries produce a superior product.....NOT because companies couldn't make a profit manufacturing in America....but simply because the company could make MORE profit by exploiting foreign workers, something that the laws of the United States do not allow. Companies were not content to make millions in profit, they have to make billions in profit. It has become a world of too much is still not enough and the American worker is paying the price. What we need is a President and a congress that will reign in these corporations and look out for the American people. Unfortunately in today's political world, too many congressmen have the corporation in their back pocket or lack the backbone to stand up for what is right.
    Perhaps one day the educators will figure out how valuable it would be to teach a basic course on capitalist economics in our schools. Getting information from liberal anti-business sources isn't exactly the same thing. Take care.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Perhaps one day the educators will figure out how valuable it would be to teach a basic course on capitalist economics in our schools. Getting information from liberal anti-business sources isn't exactly the same thing. Take care.
    LOL....are you serious? I took several economic courses in college. I understand statistics and economic theory quite well thank you. The reality is the concept of "supply and demand" is but one theory of economic study and it rarely exists in reality. Perhaps you need to take a basic economics course and not rely on the rhetoric and propoganda that you have apparently swallowed without much thought.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....are you serious? I took several economic courses in college. I understand statistics and economic theory quite well thank you. The reality is the concept of "supply and demand" is but one theory of economic study and it rarely exists in reality. Perhaps you need to take a basic economics course and not rely on the rhetoric and propoganda that you have apparently swallowed without much thought.
    Best of luck to you.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Best of luck to you.
    Same to you my friend.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Stop ranting and respond only to what is said. You're still off point. Focus. I'm making no judgment yet about business. Only making clear that they are not leaving due to taxes. So stop ranting and pay attention to the point.
    Now you focus, it would be absolutely irresponsible for any company and CEO not to look for ways to lower expenses and taxes are part of the equation. You seem to believe that if a company pays an employee $8 and hour that is the extent of the cost for that employee. State, local, and FICA taxes along with any benefits are ignored by you. Stop being so hard headed and think for a change

    Maybe this will help but doubt it

    How Much Does An Employee Cost

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I believe they say that, which is not equal to that being the reason. As most get out of paying taxers, and I did link that, it's highly unlikely that would be a real issue. Wages and healthcare are much more likely to be reasons.
    Neither economists or people like you pay for employee expenses therefore you have no idea what you are talking about. Bet you don't think your benefits are part of the cost to the employer either? I don't understand people like you who believe they are right on every issue. There is a reason businesses are moving to TX and off shoring. People like who have never run a business will never figure it out but just a hint, it has to do with costs and that includes all the costs associated with an employee

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I thought you'd appreciate this:

    ut is that because the company is engaged in some type of corporate tax dodge, as Obama likes to pretend? Uh, no, it seems that Americans are using less paper as they transition to a digital economy, while there is a growing demand for paper in developing countries.

    Should International Paper stay land-locked — or insourced, to use the president’s term — to avoid the extra taxes and accusations of being unpatriotic?

    Yes, some U.S. companies produce their products overseas in order to take advantage of lower labor costs — i.e., comparative advantage. But that means U.S. consumers get cheaper prices. You’ll notice no one complained when gasoline prices recently fell, even though much of that oil is produced overseas. The public was elated because lower gas prices means more money left over to spend on other wants and needs. Well, the exact same reasoning applies to manufactured goods, raw materials and other products and services that U.S. consumers buy for less because of lower foreign costs.

    Companies 'Outsource' Because That's Where The Sales Are - Forbes

    Notice taxes are not the reason.
    That certainly is a factor, growth and sales, Keep ignoring the fact that for every dollar a business cuts in expenses that is a dollar added to the bottomline profit. Payroll taxes, SS taxes, unemployment taxes, local and state taxes all add to an employees burden along with benefits. Don't tell me taxes don't play a role because you are dead wrong and that is why businesses are moving to TX.

    You think that when a business moves to TX their pay structure changes? No, there labor costs in general change because there is no state income taxes or other business taxes.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Now you focus, it would be absolutely irresponsible for any company and CEO not to look for ways to lower expenses and taxes are part of the equation. You seem to believe that if a company pays an employee $8 and hour that is the extent of the cost for that employee. State, local, and FICA taxes along with any benefits are ignored by you. Stop being so hard headed and think for a change

    Maybe this will help but doubt it

    How Much Does An Employee Cost
    Nope. It doesn't address the issue we're discussing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Neither economists or people like you pay for employee expenses therefore you have no idea what you are talking about. Bet you don't think your benefits are part of the cost to the employer either? I don't understand people like you who believe they are right on every issue. There is a reason businesses are moving to TX and off shoring. People like who have never run a business will never figure it out but just a hint, it has to do with costs and that includes all the costs associated with an employee
    Which is not the point. You're ranting and not addressing the point.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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