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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Aw, yes, liberal compassion, 800 a month for SS when that money could have gone into a special savings account drawing simple interest and remained the property of the family. Another brilliant liberal social program that only benefits the govt. SS was never intended by FDR to even be collected, Life expectancy at the time was 63 and retirement was 65. Where does the money go when someone dies before collecting SS?
    That's not what I asked for. Prove they are not better today than they were. If you can't, admit I'm correct.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tell us exactly what taxes did Romney raise, personal state income taxes? NO. Use taxes, yes, so if you didn't use the service you didn't pay the fee. Seems like a rather simple concept to me, pay for what you use not penalize people for making money. Doubt the 4.6% unemployment rate impresses you either.
    Actually the romney care mandate tax is not a use tax. According to conservatives the romneycare tax is a requirement for living. Mitt romney forces you to buy a product or pay a penalty. So if you purchase insurance it is a tax or you choose to pay the penalty it is tax. That is what conservatives are telling me.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, please post some links that show exactly how much Romney raised in taxes. I'm not talking about Norquist.

    And be careful with that "what you propose doesn't matter" thing. It wrecks the narrative that your fellow Libs love to push about the mandate is the Republicans' idea because they proposed a failed law in 1993.
    The didn't just propose it. They did it in MA.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, you have proven no such thing because you have totally ignored the compassion of having a 250 billion dollar debt service with much of that money going overseas. You buy the liberal rhetoric because that is what you want to believe, that is called thinking only with your heart. There never are better alternatives in the liberal world to SS, Medicare, ACA or any other liberal social program but the only compassion goes to the bureaucrats that run those programs. Are you one?
    The debt is a separate issue. And all sides have contributed to the debt.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Those people lost their insurance AS A DIRECT RESULT of ACA.

    C'mon man, you're allowed your own opinion - just not your own version of facts.
    Not really likely. I liked a PBS piece a little while back showing there was really no difference in the loses now than in the recent past. Not only that, there has been no logical rationale for any greater lost.

    So, it's not just opinion.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Let me guess ... they don't have REALITY where you live, huh?

    Government oversight, on average, add 38% to the cost of programs. Thus, when the state sends them a dollar, and the Feds send it back, only $0.62 makes the trip.

    I love your 'challenge', though ... you ask a nonsensical question, and then trumpet to the stars about how somebody else has lowered themselves to the level necessary to respond, and how that somehow invalidates everything else they have said from birth until some mystical point in the future.
    Again, that wasn't the challenge. But thanks for playing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not what I asked for. Prove they are not better today than they were. If you can't, admit I'm correct.
    Than they were when and what is the alternative? You buy what you are told. You simply cannot admit you are wrong on any subject, there are much better options than SS but liberals like you need the nanny state to take care of you.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Actually the romney care mandate tax is not a use tax. According to conservatives the romneycare tax is a requirement for living. Mitt romney forces you to buy a product or pay a penalty. So if you purchase insurance it is a tax or you choose to pay the penalty it is tax. That is what conservatives are telling me.
    Romneycare is a state program approved by the citizens of the state. I have no problem with a state program approved by the citizens of the state, that isn't what ACA is

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not what I asked for. Prove they are not better today than they were. If you can't, admit I'm correct.
    Let me help you with that ...

    "For example, in 2012 half of all Medicare beneficiaries had annual incomes below $22,500, with median income considerably lower among black and Hispanic beneficiaries ($15,250 and $13,800, respectively) than among white beneficiaries ($24,800). By 2030, median incomes for black and Hispanic beneficiaries will increase to $19,000 and $18,100, respectively, in inflation-adjusted 2012 dollars, while for white Medicare recipients median income is expected to be $32,800. The median income for beneficiaries is projected to be $28,600 in 2030.

    Other factors will diminish income for future retirees, the report notes. They include the increase in Social Security’s full retirement age from 65 to 67, the continued shift among employers from defined-benefit pensions to defined-contribution pensions, and a decline in the number of employers offering retiree health benefits.

    “If this trend continues, fewer future Medicare beneficiaries will have retiree health benefits and more will be responsible for paying Medicare premiums and out-of-pocket costs,” the report notes. “Furthermore, rising budget deficits will increase pressure to reduce spending, increase taxes, or both.”" Report Looks At Income Disparities For Seniors On Medicare – Capsules - The KHN Blog

    Medicare rate increases continue to outpace the cost-of-living raises for Social Security/SSI ...

    New Medicare premium rates come out each fall and take effect in January. Medicare beneficiaries as a group are required to pay one-fourth the cost of running Medicare, and annual premiums are set at a figure calculated to achieve that level of revenue. Although the annual premium rates aren't officially set until they are announced each fall, Medicare administrators track trends and anticipated changes and use them to formulate projections of Medicare premiums for the next several years. According to the most recent report of the system's trustees, issued in April 2012, those projected premiums (as listed on page 229) are:

    2013: $109.10
    2014: $112.10
    2015: $117.00
    2016: $122.00
    2017: $128.20
    2018: $135.50
    2019: $143.60
    2020: $151.90
    2021: $161.20
    Read more at snopes.com: A Message from Blue Cross/Blue Shield

    When you couple all this with the negative impact of the Obama-driven change in COLA computations by using the changed-CPI average, the seniors average home income continues to spiral downward, particularly when you consider that the new 'methodology' for determining the CPI does NOT include the cost of energy OR the cost of healthcare. As a result ....

    "Cuts to the nation’s food stamp program hit 48 million Americans this week, including more than 9 million elderly and disabled people." despite recognition that only 30% of the seniors eligible for food stamps actually take advantage of the program. Food stamp cuts hit 9 million elderly and disabled people

    So, in answer to your question ... no, seniors are NOT better off than they were years ago.

    Consider your challenge met, and turned away. You were NOT correct.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Romneycare is a state program approved by the citizens of the state. I have no problem with a state program approved by the citizens of the state, that isn't what ACA is
    ACA is a federal program approved by the citizens of the nation
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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