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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Btw, something for you to digest from the conservative magazine Forbes:

    But while we might all grant that there are exceptions, the general question still stands: does it make sense to run government like a business? The short answer is no. Bear in mind, first, that “efficiency” in the private sector means profit. Hence, to ask that the government be run like a business is tantamount to asking that the government turn a profit. The problem in a nutshell, is that not everything that is profitable is of social value and not everything of social value is profitable. Reality TV, pornography, fashion, sports, and gambling are all of questionable social value, but each is quite profitable and exists in the private sector. Meanwhile, few would argue that the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, police department, fire department, libraries, parks, and public schools are of no social value, and yet they could not exist if they were required to be profitable.

    Why Government Should Not Be Run Like A Business - Forbes
    Nobody says you run a govt. like a business but you certainly don't ignore business successes as well as results. A federal program will generate federal results and history proves it, high debt, high inefficiency, no incentive to lower costs, an entitlement mentality and growth in size. Sounds like a liberal dream world doesn't it. Too bad there isn't a successful socialist country in the world and by success I mean a population with incentive to produce more and create individual wealth

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    No through both. Your state might do a lot less without federal dollars. But try doing as I asked. The challenge is still there for you to either take up, or fold.
    My state is getting some of the federal dollars it sends to D.C. back, my bet is you would prefer my taxdollars to go to your state. I see no challenge, must have missed it

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    Nobody says you run a govt. like a business but you certainly don't ignore business successes as well as results. A federal program will generate federal results and history proves it, high debt, high inefficiency, no incentive to lower costs, an entitlement mentality and growth in size. Sounds like a liberal dream world doesn't it. Too bad there isn't a successful socialist country in the world and by success I mean a population with incentive to produce more and create individual wealth
    wasn't Romeny's selling point that he was a business man? And yes, you have called for running the country like a business.

    And business in the private sector also has failures, and problems. You ignore them as if they were not their. Any human endeavor is likely to struggle and be faced with problems. There is no magic. The Market is chaotic and often just as problematic as government.

    But the point is, you've been challenged. Step up or fold.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    My state is getting some of the federal dollars it sends to D.C. back, my bet is you would prefer my taxdollars to go to your state. I see no challenge, must have missed it
    Doesn't address the point. You have a challenge. Step up or fold.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You want badly to believe in a one size fits all program in a country with 50 independent and sovereign states and an economy based upon free enterprise and capitalism. You want badly to believe that a bureaucrat in D.C. can solve a local social problem in your local community and yet there is no evidence of that.

    We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt that costs us 250 billion a year in debt service, 40% of which goes to foreign countries and we have trillions in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare, so what do you want to do, add another entitlement program?

    I should have known you'd punk out and refuse to answer my question




    Because the other 49 did nothing



    They did. That's how we got ACA
    Because healthcare is a local issue and each and every state has its own cost structure as well as insurance issues. If the other 49 did nothing how does that affect you? It is up to the people to make the changes in their state and not have a Federal Govt. force an individual responsibility on them.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    wasn't Romeny's selling point that he was a business man? And yes, you have called for running the country like a business.

    And business in the private sector also has failures, and problems. You ignore them as if they were not their. Any human endeavor is likely to struggle and be faced with problems. There is no magic. The Market is chaotic and often just as problematic as government.

    But the point is, you've been challenged. Step up or fold.
    Yes, business people are responsible for being prudent with company money, Romney would have been prudent with taxpayer money. He turned a deficit into a balanced budget in MA so he had success doing what the Federal Govt. needs now. Right now politicians are spending money to keep their jobs and buy votes, that isn't prudent use of taxpayer money and why we have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    High quality evidence based medical care.
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    Really, you believe there is evidence of UHC success? where and what is your definition of success, long wait times, inefficient administrative support, high debt?
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    High quality evidence based medical care.
    Where? This is your opinion and you ignore the evidence of waste, fraud, and abuse in every federally run program and ignore the 17.3 trillion dollar debt showing poor use of taxpayer money. Name for me any country in the world that has better healthcare than this country?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Our old system was profit based. We got ****ty healthcare care at twice the cost. What are you talking about?
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    Where? This is your opinion and you ignore the evidence of waste, fraud, and abuse in every federally run program and ignore the 17.3 trillion dollar debt showing poor use of taxpayer money. Name for me any country in the world that has better healthcare than this country?
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, business people are responsible for being prudent with company money, Romney would have been prudent with taxpayer money. He turned a deficit into a balanced budget in MA so he had success doing what the Federal Govt. needs now. Right now politicians are spending money to keep their jobs and buy votes, that isn't prudent use of taxpayer money and why we have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt
    Are you sure about that? Have you seen GM's history?

    As Scandal Unfolds, G.M. Calls In the Lawyers

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/bu...yers.html?_r=0

    Or how about this:

    Léo Apotheker's disastrous tenure as HP's CEO revealed a dysfunctional company struggling for direction after a decade of missteps and scandals. Can his replacement, Meg Whitman, fix the tech giant?

    How Hewlett-Packard lost its way - Fortune Tech

    Do a search and you'll find a lot more. Don't ignore that business struggles due to their own incompetence as well as government.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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