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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    That guy was the Governor of a State and that is where UHC belongs if the people want it, not a national program run by Federal Bureaucrats
    Government is government. state governments are only smaller versions of the national government.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why not?
    Because I am still waiting for you to show me a govt. program that costs what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solved a problem and didn't simply add trillions to the debt? You want badly to believe in a one size fits all program in a country with 50 independent and sovereign states and an economy based upon free enterprise and capitalism. You want badly to believe that a bureaucrat in D.C. can solve a local social problem in your local community and yet there is no evidence of that.

    We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt that costs us 250 billion a year in debt service, 40% of which goes to foreign countries and we have trillions in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare, so what do you want to do, add another entitlement program?

    If MA can do it why do we need a Federal Mandate for the other 49 states? Let the people of the states decide if that is what they want?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Government is government. state governments are only smaller versions of the national government.
    State governments are closer to the people and more responsive to the local problems, that is what our Founders envisioned and what liberals like you seem to hate. Seems you cannot sell your program to the states and want to pawn your debt off on to the Federal Taxpayers

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're just making excuses. These things are all better due to us acting through government. Instead of just ranting, compare how the elderly lived before to now, for example. Give it a shot.
    Acting through a state and local govt is much more preferable than the Federal bureaucracy and if you cannot see that then you really are out of touch with reality and very naive and gullible.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    OK, let me see if I can figure this out ...

    1) You pass a law making insurance mandatory.
    2) You manipulate the market so that it forces people to sign up for ACA.
    3) You make it a criminal offense to not sign up.
    4) You threaten people with fines if they don't sign up.
    5) You're delighted that you met an arbitrary milestone.
    6) 6 million people lose insurance
    7) 7 million people sign up.
    8) 3 million additional people sign up for Medicaid (free government healthcare, where most of the cost is borne by the states)
    9) That means only 4 million additional paying insurance customers (of which most of them already had insurance)
    10) You call this a win !!!

    Oh wait ...

    11) 68% of those who purchased insurance report that their premium has increased, on average, 18%.
    12) The average deductible increased 114%.
    13) Out of 26 states reporting, residents in 25 states incur increased medical health insurance costs (as much as 43%).

    And, you call this a win???

    I call it a freakin' disaster.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just goes to show how poorly you are informed. Most of the funding for schools comes from the state and local communities, not the Federal Govt. That is where healthcare belongs, in the states. Most of the funding for state infrastructure programs come from the state and local communities. You simply don't understand what your taxes fund and how much you will get from those Federal entitlement dollars you spend.

    Retiring with Dignity? LOL, wait until you see how much money you get when you retire with most receiving benefits that put them well below the poverty level.

    Improving healthcare? Do you get to keep your doctor and healthcare plan if you want to? I lost my doctor when I became eligible for Medicare which I was forced to contribute to my entire working career.

    Boo, you just continue to show how easily you are swayed by feel good rhetoric and rather than do your own research you buy what you are told. There is nothing that the govt. does prudently and efficiently and even with a 17.3 trillion dollar debt you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric.
    Btw, something for you to digest from the conservative magazine Forbes:

    But while we might all grant that there are exceptions, the general question still stands: does it make sense to run government like a business? The short answer is no. Bear in mind, first, that “efficiency” in the private sector means profit. Hence, to ask that the government be run like a business is tantamount to asking that the government turn a profit. The problem in a nutshell, is that not everything that is profitable is of social value and not everything of social value is profitable. Reality TV, pornography, fashion, sports, and gambling are all of questionable social value, but each is quite profitable and exists in the private sector. Meanwhile, few would argue that the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, police department, fire department, libraries, parks, and public schools are of no social value, and yet they could not exist if they were required to be profitable.

    Why Government Should Not Be Run Like A Business - Forbes

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Because I am still waiting for you to show me a govt. program that costs what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solved a problem and didn't simply add trillions to the debt?
    You want badly to believe in a one size fits all program in a country with 50 independent and sovereign states and an economy based upon free enterprise and capitalism. You want badly to believe that a bureaucrat in D.C. can solve a local social problem in your local community and yet there is no evidence of that.

    We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt that costs us 250 billion a year in debt service, 40% of which goes to foreign countries and we have trillions in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare, so what do you want to do, add another entitlement program?[/quote]

    I should have known you'd punk out and refuse to answer my question


    If MA can do it why do we need a Federal Mandate for the other 49 states?
    Because the other 49 did nothing

    Let the people of the states decide if that is what they want?
    They did. That's how we got ACA
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    State governments are closer to the people and more responsive to the local problems
    Which is why they let so many go uninsured

    Because they're so responsive
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Acting through a state and local govt is much more preferable than the Federal bureaucracy and if you cannot see that then you really are out of touch with reality and very naive and gullible.
    No through both. Your state might do a lot less without federal dollars. But try doing as I asked. The challenge is still there for you to either take up, or fold.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Btw, something for you to digest from the conservative magazine Forbes:

    But while we might all grant that there are exceptions, the general question still stands: does it make sense to run government like a business? The short answer is no. Bear in mind, first, that “efficiency” in the private sector means profit. Hence, to ask that the government be run like a business is tantamount to asking that the government turn a profit. The problem in a nutshell, is that not everything that is profitable is of social value and not everything of social value is profitable. Reality TV, pornography, fashion, sports, and gambling are all of questionable social value, but each is quite profitable and exists in the private sector. Meanwhile, few would argue that the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, police department, fire department, libraries, parks, and public schools are of no social value, and yet they could not exist if they were required to be profitable.

    Why Government Should Not Be Run Like A Business - Forbes
    Nobody says you run a govt. like a business but you certainly don't ignore business successes as well as results. A federal program will generate federal results and history proves it, high debt, high inefficiency, no incentive to lower costs, an entitlement mentality and growth in size. Sounds like a liberal dream world doesn't it. Too bad there isn't a successful socialist country in the world and by success I mean a population with incentive to produce more and create individual wealth

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