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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It does seem to be presented that way. Are you expecting a parade with fireworks?
    Actually no it doesn't. The admin is throwing out numbers without distinquishing, a clear sign they're trying to mask the actual results. And yes, I'd expect a big ole Mission Accomplished party. However, the admin has nothing to celebrate. All they can do at this point is discount the failure.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Here's another number:

    But researchers at the Urban Institute's Health Policy Center have weighed in with their own estimate. They're figuring that the ACA has reduced the number of uninsured Americans by 5.4 million from the first quarter of 2013 through early March this year.

    Their estimate is based on data from their March 2014 Health Reform Marketing Survey, which consists of public polling. Their finding is that the uninsurance rate for adults ages 18–64 was 15.2% for the nation in early March, a decline of 2.7 percentage points since September 2013, just before open enrollment on the exchanges began Oct. 1.

    "This represents a gain in coverage for about 5.4 million adults," they write.

    A look at how many Obamacare enrollees were uninsured: 5.4 million - latimes.com


    And if we put everyone in a UHC system, we'd pay less on the whole and have better access. Isn't that what you want?
    There you go again, promoting another massive entitlement program that costs more than intended, does less than intended, and doesn't solve the problem. Why is that?

    Don't you think with all the money spent on the website and with the modern technology we have today that this Administration couldn't provide a breakdown of the number enrolled, who they are, how many were previously insured but received cancellation notices, how many actually paid their premiums, how many were eligible for Medicaid prior to ACA?

    You willingly take the Administration explanation and never hold them to a higher standard, why is that?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually no it doesn't. The admin is throwing out numbers without distinquishing, a clear sign they're trying to mask the actual results. And yes, I'd expect a big ole Mission Accomplished party. However, the admin has nothing to celebrate. All they can do at this point is discount the failure.
    When I thorw the stats of a football game, I don't have to tell you it isn't baseball game numbers. These are clearly two different things with no reason to assume a connection. They talk about them separately because they are separate. And are reported and measured as separate.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    There you go again, promoting another massive entitlement program that costs more than intended, does less than intended, and doesn't solve the problem. Why is that?

    Don't you think with all the money spent on the website and with the modern technology we have today that this Administration couldn't provide a breakdown of the number enrolled, who they are, how many were previously insured but received cancellation notices, how many actually paid their premiums, how many were eligible for Medicaid prior to ACA?

    You willingly take the Administration explanation and never hold them to a higher standard, why is that?
    No, UHC is my idea and not the administration's. But they're welcome to use it.

    And I think we spend that money anyway. One way or another. It would be better to actually have a system that spends it more prudently and for use to spend less to get. more. I think this is reasonable.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When I thorw the stats of a football game, I don't have to tell you it isn't baseball game numbers. These are clearly two different things with no reason to assume a connection. They talk about them separately because they are separate. And are reported and measured as separate.
    Except they don't "talk about them separately". It is the opposition that talks about them separately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Except they don't "talk about them separately". It is the opposition that talks about them separately.
    As you seem to me to have gone both ways, show me what you're specifically talking about.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, UHC is my idea and not the administration's. But they're welcome to use it.

    And I think we spend that money anyway. One way or another. It would be better to actually have a system that spends it more prudently and for use to spend less to get. more. I think this is reasonable.
    I anxiously await you telling me of any govt. social program that spends money prudently and why a bureaucrat in D.C. is better prepared to handle a social problem in your state? Where is the incentive for the Federal Govt. to be prudent with spending of taxpayer money? You have shown no interest at all in addressing the debt nor fully understand how politicians buy votes by spending more money. There is no incentive to be prudent

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    I anxiously await you telling me of any govt. social program that spends money prudently and why a bureaucrat in D.C. is better prepared to handle a social problem in your state? Where is the incentive for the Federal Govt. to be prudent with spending of taxpayer money? You have shown no interest at all in addressing the debt nor fully understand how politicians buy votes by spending more money. There is no incentive to be prudent
    I've done that many times before. But I think you'll love these three:

    3.) Educating everybody. Our economy and democracy would be impossible without an educated, skilled populace. From the beginning of our nation, offering free and universal public education has been one of the most important functions of government. The federal government has always had a role, from the 1785 Land Act and the land-grant colleges established under Lincoln to the GI Bill and beyond. It’s no accident that America leads the world in technological innovation.

    4.) Helping us retire with dignity. Social Security and Medicare keep millions of Americans out of poverty, allowing them to live out their lives in dignity. And these essential programs are provided by government at far less cost than would be possible from the private sector.

    5) Improving public health. Many of us owe our lives — literally — to the government. The greatest advances in longevity are due to public-sanitation measures such as water treatment, sewer systems and trash disposal. The Food and Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, and thousands of federal, state and local agencies keep us safer and healthier than we’d be in their absence. In addition, public dollars fund most of the basic research that private companies turn into life-saving drugs.

    The 10 best things government has done for us - Rex Nutting - MarketWatch

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've done that many times before. But I think you'll love these three:

    3.) Educating everybody. Our economy and democracy would be impossible without an educated, skilled populace. From the beginning of our nation, offering free and universal public education has been one of the most important functions of government. The federal government has always had a role, from the 1785 Land Act and the land-grant colleges established under Lincoln to the GI Bill and beyond. It’s no accident that America leads the world in technological innovation.

    4.) Helping us retire with dignity. Social Security and Medicare keep millions of Americans out of poverty, allowing them to live out their lives in dignity. And these essential programs are provided by government at far less cost than would be possible from the private sector.

    5) Improving public health. Many of us owe our lives — literally — to the government. The greatest advances in longevity are due to public-sanitation measures such as water treatment, sewer systems and trash disposal. The Food and Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, and thousands of federal, state and local agencies keep us safer and healthier than we’d be in their absence. In addition, public dollars fund most of the basic research that private companies turn into life-saving drugs.

    The 10 best things government has done for us - Rex Nutting - MarketWatch
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As you seem to me to have gone both ways, show me what you're specifically talking about.
    Look at the OP. Again, how many of those are insured? Of those actually insured, how many have just tripped over to Medicaid and how many are paying customers? The admin isn't going to let on there.

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