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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    That's good! The ACA is funding a number of states to design and launch reforms that can hold down costs and improve quality: State Innovation Models Initiative.
    That is awesome, just what we need another govt. administered program that cost more than it was supposed to cost, does less than it was supposed to do, and never solves a problem. Still waiting for an example of govt. efficiency. Still waiting for an example of any program the FEDERAL Govt. has run that is under budget and successful?

    You want badly to buy what you are told yet history just doesn't support your wishes especially with a 17.3 trillion dollar debt

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you want to know when the govt passed an ACA bill?

    It was in 2009
    No it was 2010 and here we are 2014 and a typical liberal success story of underachievement and poorly administered

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Obviously YOU didn't read it. It's using the same data we've had but extrapolating falsely, just as the Obama admin has been doing. Take this for example:



    Actually it's not one third, it's 27% as they state later. That means only 27% of those "signed up" were previously uninsured. AND signing up doesn't mean ****. Read that last sentence again and try to assililate the information. What makes it meaningless is that not one of them is insured until they start paying. How many of that 27% are actually insured right now? The article and the Obama admin isn't telling.

    The entire article is just a remunging of numbers to make them appear to be greater than they were. Btw, have you forgotten this entire fanderall was to insure the 40+ million uninsured in this country without losing ground on the vast majority who were?
    Reference is again made to the LA Times article (and there are others that say the same), that you obviously you did not read or comprehend else would you would not be able to make such an absurd post....

    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com

    The primary objective of the PPACA was to reduce the number of uninsured in this country.... The article pointed out that was done in 3 distinct ways (its not all about the exchanges):

    1) People purchasing healthcare through the various state exchanges. As of March 31, there were 7.1 million people that have selected policies (actually making a purchase decision; not simply registering in the exchange). While some of those will not be fully paid for (bad sales), no one yet knows how much of that will occur. Studies have shown that between 27% (McKinnsey study of Feburary) and higher (Rand study of March) were previously uninsured. Call it 1/3 and call it 6.0 million purchases and you see the exchanges led to 2.0 million previously uninsureds now being insured

    From the LA Times article:Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:

    • At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

    • A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.


    2) The expansion of Medicaid allowed 4.5 million previously uninsured to be insured:

    From the LA Times article:
    • At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.

    3) Allowing our sons and daughters to continue on family plans until age 26 has insured 3.0 million "invincibles"

    From the LA Times article:
    • An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    So, 2.0 million uninsured from exchanges + 4.5 million from Medicaid expansion + 3.0 million on expansion of coverage to 26.... is 9.5 million previously uninsureds now with insurance.

    In six months (the first year of operation), we have eradicated between 20 and 25% of the uninsured problem... this does not include the underinsured that previously had substandard plans that now have real insurance.... It also is in spite the Republicans best efforts to keep people from getting health insurance by killing state exchanges (which were more effective the national exchanges)

    Also in the LA Times article:
    Rand has been polling 3,300 Americans monthly about their insurance choices since last fall. Researchers found that the share of adults ages 18 to 64 without health insurance has declined from 20.9% last fall to 16.6% as of March 22.

    Its having an impact...

    Is the PPACA a success? Hardly. While the results are encouraging, we are tackling a big problem (healthcare deficiency) with a long term solution. We are only months into it. Only a fool would draw a conclusion at this point.

    Is the PPACA a failure? Hardly. The early results are encouraging, but we are tackling a big problem (healthcare deficiency) with a long term solution. We are only months into it. Only a fool would draw a conclusion at this point.


    None of this includes the 9 million people that brought health insurance directly from insurance companies (you do not have to use the exchange). Studies, however, find these people are simply replacing one policy with another.... such as those 1 million people that supposedly had their policies cancelled.

    Also in the LA Times article:
    • About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.

    • Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.



    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Reference is again made to the LA Times article (and there are others that say the same), that you obviously you did not read or comprehend else would you would not be able to make such an absurd post....

    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com

    The primary objective of the PPACA was to reduce the number of uninsured in this country.... The article pointed out that was done in 3 distinct ways (its not all about the exchanges):

    1) People purchasing healthcare through the various state exchanges. As of March 31, there were 7.1 million people that have selected policies (actually making a purchase decision; not simply registering in the exchange). While some of those will not be fully paid for (bad sales), no one yet knows how much of that will occur. Studies have shown that between 27% (McKinnsey study of Feburary) and higher (Rand study of March) were previously uninsured. Call it 1/3 and call it 6.0 million purchases and you see the exchanges led to 2.0 million previously uninsureds now being insured

    From the LA Times article:Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:

    At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

    A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.


    2) The expansion of Medicaid allowed 4.5 million previously uninsured to be insured:

    From the LA Times article:
    At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.

    3) Allowing our sons and daughters to continue on family plans until age 26 has insured 3.0 million "invincibles"

    From the LA Times article:
    An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    So, 2.0 million uninsured from exchanges + 4.5 million from Medicaid expansion + 3.0 million on expansion of coverage to 26.... is 9.5 million previously uninsureds now with insurance.

    In six months (the first year of operation), we have eradicated between 20 and 25% of the uninsured problem... this does not include the underinsured that previously had substandard plans that now have real insurance.... It also is in spite the Republicans best efforts to keep people from getting health insurance by killing state exchanges (which were more effective the national exchanges)

    Also in the LA Times article:
    Rand has been polling 3,300 Americans monthly about their insurance choices since last fall. Researchers found that the share of adults ages 18 to 64 without health insurance has declined from 20.9% last fall to 16.6% as of March 22.

    Its having an impact...

    Is the PPACA a success? Hardly. While the results are encouraging, we are tackling a big problem (healthcare deficiency) with a long term solution. We are only months into it. Only a fool would draw a conclusion at this point.

    Is the PPACA a failure? Hardly. The early results are encouraging, but we are tackling a big problem (healthcare deficiency) with a long term solution. We are only months into it. Only a fool would draw a conclusion at this point.


    None of this includes the 9 million people that brought health insurance directly from insurance companies (you do not have to use the exchange). Studies, however, find these people are simply replacing one policy with another.... such as those 1 million people that supposedly had their policies cancelled.

    Also in the LA Times article:
    About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.

    Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.



    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
    What a bunch of BS that is summed up however quite nicely

    From the LA Times article:Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate
    Available data says 1/3 of the 6 million were uninsured meaning that instead of 45 million uninsured we now have 43 million and for that we need ACA? That is liberal logic

    And isn't it amazing how Democrats running for office in November are distancing themselves from this piece of crap? Only the true partisans who need the nanny state are trumpeting the projected results without knowing the details. Costs don't matter to many since they are being paid by someone else. This country's downward spiral of lack of personal responsibility continues and is promoted by the Obamabots

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Reference is again made to the LA Times article (and there are others that say the same), that you obviously you did not read or comprehend else would you would not be able to make such an absurd post....

    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com

    The primary objective of the PPACA was to reduce the number of uninsured in this country.... The article pointed out that was done in 3 distinct ways (its not all about the exchanges):

    1) People purchasing healthcare through the various state exchanges. As of March 31, there were 7.1 million people that have selected policies (actually making a purchase decision; not simply registering in the exchange). While some of those will not be fully paid for (bad sales), no one yet knows how much of that will occur. Studies have shown that between 27% (McKinnsey study of Feburary) and higher (Rand study of March) were previously uninsured. Call it 1/3 and call it 6.0 million purchases and you see the exchanges led to 2.0 million previously uninsureds now being insured

    From the LA Times article:Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:

    • At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

    • A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.


    2) The expansion of Medicaid allowed 4.5 million previously uninsured to be insured:

    From the LA Times article:
    • At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.

    3) Allowing our sons and daughters to continue on family plans until age 26 has insured 3.0 million "invincibles"

    From the LA Times article:
    • An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    So, 2.0 million uninsured from exchanges + 4.5 million from Medicaid expansion + 3.0 million on expansion of coverage to 26.... is 9.5 million previously uninsureds now with insurance.

    In six months (the first year of operation), we have eradicated between 20 and 25% of the uninsured problem... this does not include the underinsured that previously had substandard plans that now have real insurance.... It also is in spite the Republicans best efforts to keep people from getting health insurance by killing state exchanges (which were more effective the national exchanges)

    Also in the LA Times article:
    Rand has been polling 3,300 Americans monthly about their insurance choices since last fall. Researchers found that the share of adults ages 18 to 64 without health insurance has declined from 20.9% last fall to 16.6% as of March 22.

    Its having an impact...

    Is the PPACA a success? Hardly. While the results are encouraging, we are tackling a big problem (healthcare deficiency) with a long term solution. We are only months into it. Only a fool would draw a conclusion at this point.

    Is the PPACA a failure? Hardly. The early results are encouraging, but we are tackling a big problem (healthcare deficiency) with a long term solution. We are only months into it. Only a fool would draw a conclusion at this point.


    None of this includes the 9 million people that brought health insurance directly from insurance companies (you do not have to use the exchange). Studies, however, find these people are simply replacing one policy with another.... such as those 1 million people that supposedly had their policies cancelled.

    Also in the LA Times article:
    • About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.

    • Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.



    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
    I think we all know what Republicans and Democrats think of the ACA, Democrats are all for it, Republicans against. So then what is up with all the polls that combine for an RCP average of 9 different polls that show 40% for the ACA and 52% against? One would think since the Democratic base is much larger than the Republican base, there would be more for the law than against if it was just a political party thing as most people want to make it.

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

    So where does this 12 point gap come from, if it is just political what are so many more people oppose to it than for it? The answer lies with the independents, those of us who do not identify or associate ourselves with either major party. Whereas those who identify with the Democratic Party support the ACA by a 80-12 margin, Republicans oppose the ACA by a 91-7 margin. Now to explain the 12 point gap, that is because only 36% of independent are for the ACA while 60% are against it. It is independents, non-affiliates that provided the gap, that provide the basis of the majority of Americans still being oppose to the ACA.

    In fact, without the majority of independent being oppose to the ACA, we wouldn't be talking about the Republicans having a chance to gain control of the senate this year. 2014 would resemble 2012 more than 2010. So we will take a seat and see what happens in November. Things can change between now and then, if I were a Democrat I would be hoping and praying they do. If I were a Republican, I would want things to remain the same as today.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think we all know what Republicans and Democrats think of the ACA, Democrats are all for it, Republicans against. So then what is up with all the polls that combine for an RCP average of 9 different polls that show 40% for the ACA and 52% against? One would think since the Democratic base is much larger than the Republican base, there would be more for the law than against if it was just a political party thing as most people want to make it.

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

    So where does this 12 point gap come from, if it is just political what are so many more people oppose to it than for it? The answer lies with the independents, those of us who do not identify or associate ourselves with either major party. Whereas those who identify with the Democratic Party support the ACA by a 80-12 margin, Republicans oppose the ACA by a 91-7 margin. Now to explain the 12 point gap, that is because only 36% of independent are for the ACA while 60% are against it. It is independents, non-affiliates that provided the gap, that provide the basis of the majority of Americans still being oppose to the ACA.

    In fact, without the majority of independent being oppose to the ACA, we wouldn't be talking about the Republicans having a chance to gain control of the senate this year. 2014 would resemble 2012 more than 2010. So we will take a seat and see what happens in November. Things can change between now and then, if I were a Democrat I would be hoping and praying they do. If I were a Republican, I would want things to remain the same as today.
    A lot of democrats are opposed to Obamacare as well...

    The problem with Obamacare as that all provisions in the bill need to be included to make the program successful, however the 6-foot bill shrank to a few hundred pages, because most of the Bill was nothing more than illegal regulations (which both republicans and democrats were opposed to).... The only mandate left holding this POS piece of legislation together is the individual mandate and the general populace has completely ignored that - well I suppose with the exception of 7 million which is basically nothing (or 2.3% of the population).

    Regardless of my politics - this program is a disaster, and quite frankly downright stupidity.

    Healthcare vouchers would have made more sense, and would have been a lot cheaper for the US taxpayer than this insane program.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Would someone please explain to me why people still believe anything this Administration tells them?

    Gallup survey suggests sign-ups under ObamaCare not as high as White House says | Fox News

    The administration says 7.1 million have signed up for subsidized private plans through new insurance markets, while 3 million previously uninsured people gained coverage through the law's Medicaid expansion.

    Why the huge difference? For starters, the administration's numbers include people who switched or were dropped from their previous coverage, as well as people who have not paid their first month's premium, and who would therefore still be uninsured.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Would someone please explain to me why people still believe anything this Administration tells them?

    Gallup survey suggests sign-ups under ObamaCare not as high as White House says | Fox News
    Or the poll was wrong. Just as likely.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Or the poll was wrong. Just as likely.
    Got it, the poll was wrong but Obama right? Guess only polls that show you what you want to believe are accurate? You tell me how many of the 7.1 million who are reported to have signed up were people who actually received cancellation notices, how many signed up but haven't paid their premiums, how many were eligible for Medicaid without ACA? With all the money put into the website and modern technology today why don't we have a breakdown of the actual numbers?

    How long are you going to make excuses for Obama and buy what he tells you? We heard for over 8 years about those so called Bush lies but not a word about Obama's, wonder why?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This is a thread about ACA and never dreamed I would have to signify federal, state or local in a thread about a Federal Program called ACA. There are a lot of state programs that work, many of them in TX but that reality is ignored by Obama supporters. TX has a very good Tort Reform bill as well.
    A healthcare program in Texas that works? You have to be kidding me. Texas has the highest rate of uninsured people of any state in the United States. Are you sure you want to stick with that talking point?
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