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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I am NOT basing my opinion on just what the administration tells us.

    I have done a lot research. I am probaly one of a handful of people on this thread who have read more than 30 pages of the heathcare act when it was first passed.

    Since my husband is self employed we have have been responsible for our full cost of our families insurance for over 40 years.

    I am aware of how much heathcare has skyrocketed in the last 40 years.

    It was very important to me that those with pre existing conditions be able to buy health insurance.
    Look, I understand exactly where you are coming from but ACA isn't the answer. Name for me one govt. run program that cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solve a problem and actually go away? We didn't need ACA to handle pre-existing conditions and the idea that ACA will lower costs is simply another example of liberalism making wild claims that has no historical data to support it.

    What you are doing is thinking with your heart and ignoring history. We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt and are paying 250 billion a year to service that debt. ACA is projected to increase the deficit about 180 billion dollars a year and those are conservative estimates given to us based upon Congressional assumptions. We all know how accurate Congressional assumptions are and we have historical data to show that although the govt. bureaucrats seem to mean well they are a disaster and have no incentive to make sure costs are controlled.

    Why do you believe the Govt. will be able to lower costs in our economic model based upon capitalism?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    Why do you believe the Govt. will be able to lower costs in our economic model based upon capitalism?
    Since we do not have a public option in the ACA I do not expect it to lower our healthcare costs, but I will be more than somewhat happy if it slows the curve down and I am very happy that people with pre existing conditions can now buy healthcare insurance.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Since we do not have a public option in the ACA I do not expect it to lower our healthcare costs, but I will be more than somewhat happy if it slows the curve down and I am very happy that people with pre existing conditions can now buy healthcare insurance.
    Give me an example of any public option program where there is incentive to lower costs and where costs have actually been lowered? You put a lot of faith in a govt. that has generated a 17.3 trillion dollar debt, why?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    Give me an example of any public option program where there is incentive to lower costs and where costs have actually been lowered? You put a lot of faith in a govt. that has generated a 17.3 trillion dollar debt, why?
    California's tort reform law.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    California's tort reform law.
    And that is a Federal Govt. program? Sounds to me like you believe states can do it better too

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    And that is a Federal Govt. program? Sounds to me like you believe states can do it better too
    You asked about a govt program and didn't specify federal
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You asked about a govt program and didn't specify federal
    This is a thread about ACA and never dreamed I would have to signify federal, state or local in a thread about a Federal Program called ACA. There are a lot of state programs that work, many of them in TX but that reality is ignored by Obama supporters. TX has a very good Tort Reform bill as well.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Since we do not have a public option in the ACA I do not expect it to lower our healthcare costs, but I will be more than somewhat happy if it slows the curve down and I am very happy that people with pre existing conditions can now buy healthcare insurance.
    A "public option" like the NHS in Great Britain? No thank you....

    Despite its much heralded presence in Britain’s health care, the problems of the NHS are severe, notorious, and increasingly scandalous in the most fundamental attributes of any health care system: access and quality.

    Waits for care are shocking in the NHS, frequently exposed by British media reports, and long proven by facts, yet they go virtually unreported in the U.S. For instance, in 2010, about one-third of England’s NHS patients deemed ill enough by their GP waited more than one additional month for a specialist appointment. In 2008-2009, the average wait for CABG (coronary artery bypass) in the UK was 57 days. And the impact of this delayed access was obvious. For example, twice as many bypass procedures and four times as many angioplasties are performed in patients needing surgery for heart disease per capita in the U.S. as in the UK. Another study showed that more UK residents die (per capita) than Americans from heart attack despite the far higher burden of risk factors in Americans for these fatal events. In fact, the heart disease mortality rate in England was 36 percent higher than that in the U.S.

    Access to medical care is so poor in the NHS that the government was compelled to issue England’s 2010 “NHS Constitution” in which it was declared that no patient should wait beyond 18 weeks for treatment – four months – after GP referral. Defined as acceptable by bureaucrats who set them, such targets propagate the illusion of meeting quality standards despite seriously endangering their citizens, all of whom share an equally poor access to health care. Even given this extraordinarily long leash, the number of patients not being treated within that time soared by 43% to almost 30,000 last January. BBC subsequently discovered that many patients initially assessed as needing surgery were later re-categorized by the hospital so that they could be removed from waiting lists to distort the already unconscionable delays. Royal College of Surgeons President Norman Williams, calling this “outrageous,” charged that hospitals are cutting their waiting lists by artificially raising thresholds.

    Beyond access, the quality of medical care in the NHS, based on data in the medical journals, is unacceptable. Comparing data for cancer, heart disease, and stroke, the most common sources of sickness and death in the U.S. and Europe, and the diseases that generate the highest medical expenditures, we see the overt failure of the NHS and its socialist relatives.


    For cancer, American patients, both men and women, have superior survival rates for all major types. For some specifics, per Verdecchia in Lancet Oncology, the breast cancer mortality rate is 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom than in the U.S.; prostate cancer mortality rates are strikingly worse in the UK than in the U.S.; mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher than in the U.S.

    Even given the lifestyle-related disadvantages inherent to American patients (physically inactive, obese, and with high blood pressure – all significantly higher than comparison countries), studies also prove better medical care for stroke in the U.S. than in Britain. In 2010, the British scientific journal Lancet Neurology stated in its editorial about stroke treatment entitled “Time is Brain for Carotid Endarterectomy” that “early intervention is crucial for a good outcome,” yet “two- thirds of patients (in the UK) face an unacceptable delay.”

    To assess the quality of care for high blood pressure, or hypertension, we must look at two sets of data. First, once hypertension is diagnosed, is it treated or does it go untreated? About two-thirds to three-fourths of patients with high blood pressure in England were left untreated, compared to less than half in the U.S. Second, hypertension treatment in the UK has been inferior and less successful in controlling blood pressure than the U.S. One comparison showed that blood pressure control was best in the U.S., outperforming Canada, England, Germany, Italy, Sweden, and Spain. In a separate analysis of over 21,000 patients already visiting doctors for hypertension, the best rate of success was in the U.S. (63 percent), compared with 31 percent to 46 percent of patients in England and the European countries.

    No disease has more far-reaching and more serious consequences than diabetes, with a risk for death about twice that without diabetes, and significantly worse disease outcomes. In 2011, the World Health Organization determined that of seven countries including England and Scotland, the U.S. had the highest proportion of adult diabetics who were actually receiving treatment for their known diabetes, as well as for their hypertension and high cholesterol. The U.S. also performed best by several different quality measures, approximately twice the success of England and Scotland.

    Add to those illustrious facts the heinous scandals about the quality of care in NHS hospitals that are repeatedly discovered, investigated, and catalogued with promises of change. These scandals, like the Staffordshire Trust debacle where between 400 and 1,200 neglected and abused patients died in squalid and degrading circumstances, are directly caused by the very culture of the NHS, as overtly admitted even by the UK government at its highest levels.

    Happy Birthday To Great Britain's Increasingly Scandalous National Health Service - Forbes
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This is a thread about ACA and never dreamed I would have to signify federal, state or local in a thread about a Federal Program called ACA. There are a lot of state programs that work, many of them in TX but that reality is ignored by Obama supporters. TX has a very good Tort Reform bill as well.
    That's good! The ACA is funding a number of states to design and launch reforms that can hold down costs and improve quality: State Innovation Models Initiative.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This is a thread about ACA and never dreamed I would have to signify federal, state or local in a thread about a Federal Program called ACA. There are a lot of state programs that work, many of them in TX but that reality is ignored by Obama supporters. TX has a very good Tort Reform bill as well.
    So you want to know when the govt passed an ACA bill?

    It was in 2009
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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