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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, the option that both you and I support (despite our differences on other issues) had quite a bit of support. Many of these supporters did not and do not support ACA because they feel that ACA did not go far enough.

    That's why I believe that your frequent comments about how so many people do not support ACA are misleading.
    Would you please tell me why you believe anything this Administration tells you and why you support a massive central govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar debt and rising? I understand how you want UH and a single payer but all that did with Medicare is give the bureaucrats a slush fund to waste on programs other than Medicare. It really is too bad more people don't understand the economy and the budget. The taxpayers fund debt service to the tune of 250 billion a year. Any idea how many that will insure if we didn't waste it servicing our debt?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    That isn't true at all, there are a number of programs in TX that are available to people of all income levels. Hundreds of thousands of people that are uninsured are eligible for Medicaid in TX but haven't signed up for it. That reality is ignored by the left so tell me how many of those 7 million are in that class and actually signed up for Medicaid that they were eligible for without ACA? How many were actually kicked off their plan and why would anyone call 5.4 million a good number when Whitehouse.gov. claimed that ACA was to insure 45 million?

    The point remains, we don't need ACA to get those who are uninsured insured but rather just better communication and freedom of choice for all. You do understand choice, don't you? How about the millions of Americans who CHOOSE not to purchase health insurance even though they have the money to purchase their own?
    How about the working poor in the lone star, that makes just enough money to NOT qualify for medicaid;what are the"a number of programs in TX that are available to people"that you are referring to?
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

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    How about the working poor in the lone star, that makes just enough money to NOT qualify for medicaid;what are the"a number of programs in TX that are available to people"that you are referring to?
    Medicaid is available to the working poor, the problem seems to be that low income workers aren't signing up and you have to sign up to get Medicaid. It does seem that you don't understand Medicaid at all.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, the option that both you and I support (despite our differences on other issues) had quite a bit of support. Many of these supporters did not and do not support ACA because they feel that ACA did not go far enough.

    That's why I believe that your frequent comments about how so many people do not support ACA are misleading.
    Regardless of why I oppose the law, I oppose the law. It is that simple. I think it is quite flawed and will end up hurting more than it helps, quite cut and dried. A lot of people try to work their politics into it, I don't. If I thought it was a good law, it would have my support, but I do not. There is quite a lot about the ACA I do not like, but the mandated insurance doesn't bother me. I think expanding medicaid is basically a waste of time and give people false hopes when they see they have insurance. But can they see a doctor? that is the question, will they be able to get healthcare? If only 60% of doctors nationwide accept medicaid patients today, before the expansion, how many of those with medicaid insurance will have just a piece of paper?

    Yes the ACA is politicized. But a whole lot of people read more into the opposition or try to read more into the opposition so they can say some of those opposed are really for the ACA. Listen, if I was for the ACA, I would say so. I think it is a half way measure that is making things worse. We talked about the VA healthcare system before to take care of the poor, I would have loved to see that. I would rather have everyone or the poor who can't afford proper insurance go on medicare even if the medicare tax has to be doubled or raised higher. I dislike the ACA as it comes across more as a political statement than an attempt to help people. I knew the ACA was flawed before it was even voted on, if you look at the public support for social security, 65% plus of all Americans supported it prior to its introduction and it passed on its merits with bipartisan support. Medicare, over 60% of all Americans supported it prior to its introduction and it passed on its merits with bipartisan support.. With the ACA only around 35% of all Americans supported it prior to its introduction and it passed with strong arm tactics of the Democratic leadership exerting on its own members, not the merits.

    Now I am not arguing the fact that according to the polls a lot or perhaps even a majority of Americans thought something needed to be done with healthcare. But what I am arguing is the ACA was not the answer and still isn't the answer. Do away with it, repeal it, then keep what works and what is good and put that into new legislation. If it is a 100% government plan so be it, if it is a VA style healthcare system, fine. If we could put everyone on medicare and up the medicare tax to pay for it, fine. If we are going to keep medicaid, then we need to up the reimbursement rate so all doctors can accept it without losing money. My bottom line is the ACA is a bastard child that makes no one happy, why defend it?
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Picking a plan and paying for a plan are not the same thing. Let me know when they claim that they have 7.5 million PAYING subscribers.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Regardless of why I oppose the law, I oppose the law. It is that simple. I think it is quite flawed and will end up hurting more than it helps, quite cut and dried. A lot of people try to work their politics into it, I don't. If I thought it was a good law, it would have my support, but I do not. There is quite a lot about the ACA I do not like, but the mandated insurance doesn't bother me. I think expanding medicaid is basically a waste of time and give people false hopes when they see they have insurance. But can they see a doctor? that is the question, will they be able to get healthcare? If only 60% of doctors nationwide accept medicaid patients today, before the expansion, how many of those with medicaid insurance will have just a piece of paper?

    Yes the ACA is politicized. But a whole lot of people read more into the opposition or try to read more into the opposition so they can say some of those opposed are really for the ACA. Listen, if I was for the ACA, I would say so. I think it is a half way measure that is making things worse. We talked about the VA healthcare system before to take care of the poor, I would have loved to see that. I would rather have everyone or the poor who can't afford proper insurance go on medicare even if the medicare tax has to be doubled or raised higher. I dislike the ACA as it comes across more as a political statement than an attempt to help people. I knew the ACA was flawed before it was even voted on, if you look at the public support for social security, 65% plus of all Americans supported it prior to its introduction and it passed on its merits with bipartisan support. Medicare, over 60% of all Americans supported it prior to its introduction and it passed on its merits with bipartisan support.. With the ACA only around 35% of all Americans supported it prior to its introduction and it passed with strong arm tactics of the Democratic leadership exerting on its own members, not the merits.

    Now I am not arguing the fact that according to the polls a lot or perhaps even a majority of Americans thought something needed to be done with healthcare. But what I am arguing is the ACA was not the answer and still isn't the answer. Do away with it, repeal it, then keep what works and what is good and put that into new legislation. If it is a 100% government plan so be it, if it is a VA style healthcare system, fine. If we could put everyone on medicare and up the medicare tax to pay for it, fine. If we are going to keep medicaid, then we need to up the reimbursement rate so all doctors can accept it without losing money. My bottom line is the ACA is a bastard child that makes no one happy, why defend it?
    I have no problems with you stating your personal opinions. However, when you discuss the polls, it is misleading to describe people as if they belong to only one of two groups - opposed to ACA, or supportive of ACA. It leaves the impression that people either agree with you (and oppose ACA), or they disagree with you (and support it). The truth is, there really are several groups.

    For example, I agree with you that creating a govt run plan to cover the uninsured would have been preferable to this whole mess of exchanges and mandates. However, I disagree with you about many other things, like the expansion of Medicaid. Dividing everyone up into one of two groups, when there are really several, does not represent the diversity of opinions that exist.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Personally, I don't think it is good politically for the white house to be celebrating. I remember clearly a few months ago when the white house was taking flack for the insurance cancellations, their defense was that it was a small percentage of the population. Celebrating signing up an even smaller percentage of the population may back fire on them. I think I would have recommended they keep their celebration internal.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I have no problems with you stating your personal opinions. However, when you discuss the polls, it is misleading to describe people as if they belong to only one of two groups - opposed to ACA, or supportive of ACA. It leaves the impression that people either agree with you (and oppose ACA), or they disagree with you (and support it). The truth is, there really are several groups.

    For example, I agree with you that creating a govt run plan to cover the uninsured would have been preferable to this whole mess of exchanges and mandates. However, I disagree with you about many other things, like the expansion of Medicaid. Dividing everyone up into one of two groups, when there are really several, does not represent the diversity of opinions that exist.
    Perhaps, I think one can have a ton of reasons for supporting the ACA and one could have a ton of reasons for opposing the ACA. But in the end one either supports it or opposes it. Either that or they fall into the unsure/don't know group. I take it you support it, but feel it didn't go far enough and another person may oppose it because they feel it didn't go far enough. But in the end regardless you support it and the other opposes it. The other is more likely to want it repealed and replaced with something that goes farther while you, a supporter may feel it doesn't need to go any farther or that it is just a start. But I feel the bottom line is one opposes it and the other supports it. I feel it is wrong to try to make someone who oppose the legislation to appear that they support it. That seems pure wrong. It is turning dissent into approval.

    Let me ask you this, if legislation was proposed to get this half way plan, the ACA repealed but replaced with a government run plan, would you support that? Then if your goal is lets say UHC, then why support a half way plan, why not try to get rid of it and replace it with UHC. I think this is totally the wrong path. You think it is the right path or I assume you wouldn't support it.

    But regardless of where on stands on the ACA, getting access to healthcare for every American is a goal I think almost all members of congress, Republican and Democrat want. It is how to achieve it that is the contention. At least that is how I see it.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps, I think one can have a ton of reasons for supporting the ACA and one could have a ton of reasons for opposing the ACA. But in the end one either supports it or opposes it. Either that or they fall into the unsure/don't know group. I take it you support it, but feel it didn't go far enough and another person may oppose it because they feel it didn't go far enough. But in the end regardless you support it and the other opposes it. The other is more likely to want it repealed and replaced with something that goes farther while you, a supporter may feel it doesn't need to go any farther or that it is just a start. But I feel the bottom line is one opposes it and the other supports it. I feel it is wrong to try to make someone who oppose the legislation to appear that they support it. That seems pure wrong. It is turning dissent into approval.
    I don't think putting in such black and white terms is realistic

    Let me ask you this, if legislation was proposed to get this half way plan, the ACA repealed but replaced with a government run plan, would you support that?
    No, because coverage for the uninsured is not the only problem our health care system has created. There is also the problem of health care costs, which have a variety of causes. No one action can solve all of the problems we have. We need a comprehensive set of policies to deal with the situation. Patching our problems won't work.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't think putting in such black and white terms is realistic



    No, because coverage for the uninsured is not the only problem our health care system has created. There is also the problem of health care costs, which have a variety of causes. No one action can solve all of the problems we have. We need a comprehensive set of policies to deal with the situation. Patching our problems won't work.
    Perhaps not, but I take one at his word. If he says he opposes the ACA, I think he opposes it. If he says he supports it, I believe he supports it. It is quite simple, I do not try to twist someone motives who says they oppose it into being for it. I think that is quite realistic, simple too because you don't have to try to read peoples minds.

    Hmm, here I thought the main reason for the ACA was to get those uninsured insured. I could be wrong as I have been wrong many a times in my life. We do agree on one thing for sure, putting patches over all our problems will not work. The ACA is an attempt to put a patch over a couple of them, a very poor and leaky patch at that.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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