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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Were they uninsured? Were the eligible for Medicaid before ACA? Did they sign up for Medicaid? Were they people who were kicked off their insurance because of ACA?
    According to this link "5.4 million adults gained health insurance since September 2013 ",that would indicate that they were "uninsured",and were in a state like Texas where one million low-income Texans were denied coverage because perry chose politics over what was right for people.SAD.

    Survey: 5.4 Million Americans Gained Health Insurance Since September 2013 - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    No one is against people having insurance this is just a lie from the left wing spin machine.

    what we disagree with is how they implement it.
    democrats want government to control every aspect of your life as they don't think you are smart enough to make a decision on your own.
    Me i want you to have the freedom to get whatever insurance policy you want to have regardless if it is here or there.

    we don't have a true market for insurance. If we did then if you live in NY you would be able to buy a policy in ND.

    I support a national HSA system similar to singapore, but it requires massive changes to our tax code which most democrats oppose.
    In Singapore, 80% of the population gets it health care from govt run providers.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    We just need/and will someday have a sanely run evidence based UHC system, ran by science instead of money. Until then we will continue to balance politics and profit.
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    In Singapore, 80% of the population gets it health care from govt run providers.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In Singapore, 80% of the population gets it health care from govt run providers.
    Been there several times...and these "small government" conservatives who point to Singapore as a shining example of low-tax 'freedom' probably have no idea how strong, how 'big' the Singaporean government really is.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Been there several times...and these "small government" conservatives who point to Singapore as a shining example of low-tax 'freedom' probably have no idea how strong, how 'big' the Singaporean government really is.
    They're clueless. Singapores low income tax rate has them convinced that Singapore, a nation so authoritarian that it not only bans protests, it bans chewing gum!!!, is a bastion of liberty
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    We just need/and will someday have a sanely run evidence based UHC system, ran by science instead of money. Until then we will continue to balance politics and profit.
    Science? SCIENCE???? You must be a flaming liberal!!!! How DARE you insert something as heretical as 'science' into this debate when REAL Americans are proving how faith-based capitalism is the first, best hope of freedom in this world!!!!
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They're clueless. Singapores low income tax rate has them convinced that Singapore, a nation so authoritarian that it not only bans protests, it bans chewing gum!!!, is a bastion of liberty
    And don't forget lashes to those who deface property.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    According to this link "5.4 million adults gained health insurance since September 2013 ",that would indicate that they were "uninsured",and were in a state like Texas where one million low-income Texans were denied coverage because perry chose politics over what was right for people.SAD.

    Survey: 5.4 Million Americans Gained Health Insurance Since September 2013 - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
    That isn't true at all, there are a number of programs in TX that are available to people of all income levels. Hundreds of thousands of people that are uninsured are eligible for Medicaid in TX but haven't signed up for it. That reality is ignored by the left so tell me how many of those 7 million are in that class and actually signed up for Medicaid that they were eligible for without ACA? How many were actually kicked off their plan and why would anyone call 5.4 million a good number when Whitehouse.gov. claimed that ACA was to insure 45 million?

    The point remains, we don't need ACA to get those who are uninsured insured but rather just better communication and freedom of choice for all. You do understand choice, don't you? How about the millions of Americans who CHOOSE not to purchase health insurance even though they have the money to purchase their own?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    This is untrue. While 80% were satisfied with their coverage, a majority believed that "There are some good things in our health care system, but fundamental changes are needed." and approx 30% believed "Our health care system has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it."

    There is a difference between someone being satisfied with their insurance and someone being satisfied with the health care system

    See CBS News Poll. Oct. 5-8, 2009.
    Health Policy (8)
    When I saw the first question on Obesity I chuckled and then went further. Yep, CBS/ORC has the same figures on for and against 12/2-3 and 12/16-20, the fluxuation is normal as is the margin of error of plus or minus 4 points. NBC’s on whether the ACA would strengthen or weaken Medicare is interesting, I do not think I seen that question asked before, but most think it would weaken Medicare. I can also agree that Medicare should be expanded to include those 55-64 who do not have medical coverage. But I must add, who cannot afford it.

    Now this caught my eye:

    "There are a few ideas on health insurance for people who are not insured through work, or Medicare or Medicaid. One is to create a government health insurance plan to compete with private insurance plans for these people. Another is to have the government negotiate with private insurers to offer these people insurance that meets government specifications. A third is to leave the current system as it is. Which of these would you prefer for people who do not have health insurance: a government plan to compete with private plans, private plans coordinated by the government, or the current system as it is now?" Options rotated

    Gov't
    Plan Private Plans
    Coordinated
    By Gov't Current
    System Unsure
    % % % %
    12/10-13/09 36 30 30 4

    I think I would go with either the Gov’t plan or the current system.

    Which comes closer to the way you feel? Government reform of the nation's health care system is necessary to control costs and expand coverage. OR, Government action on health care will do more harm than good." Options rotated

    Is
    Necessary Will Do More
    Harm Than
    Good Unsure
    % % %
    12/10-13/09 51 46 3
    Again interesting, about a 50-50 split considering the margin of error. Surprising to me though.

    And this:
    From what you've heard or read, do you think the health care reforms under consideration in Congress will mostly help you personally, will mostly hurt you personally, or don't you think they will have much of an effect on you personally?"

    Help Hurt Not Much
    Effect Unsure
    % % % %
    12/4-8/09 16 34 42 8
    This is pretty much the same percentage two recent polls show the ACA hurting twice as many as it helps.
    According to Rasmussen 14% helped, 33% hurt, 50% no impact
    33% Say They

    Per Gallup 10% helped, 23% hurt, 63% no impact
    Number of Americans Saying ACA Has Hurt Them Inches Up
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When I saw the first question on Obesity I chuckled and then went further. Yep, CBS/ORC has the same figures on for and against 12/2-3 and 12/16-20, the fluxuation is normal as is the margin of error of plus or minus 4 points. NBC’s on whether the ACA would strengthen or weaken Medicare is interesting, I do not think I seen that question asked before, but most think it would weaken Medicare. I can also agree that Medicare should be expanded to include those 55-64 who do not have medical coverage. But I must add, who cannot afford it.

    Now this caught my eye:

    "There are a few ideas on health insurance for people who are not insured through work, or Medicare or Medicaid. One is to create a government health insurance plan to compete with private insurance plans for these people. Another is to have the government negotiate with private insurers to offer these people insurance that meets government specifications. A third is to leave the current system as it is. Which of these would you prefer for people who do not have health insurance: a government plan to compete with private plans, private plans coordinated by the government, or the current system as it is now?" Options rotated

    Gov't
    Plan Private Plans
    Coordinated
    By Gov't Current
    System Unsure
    % % % %
    12/10-13/09 36 30 30 4

    I think I would go with either the Gov’t plan or the current system.

    Which comes closer to the way you feel? Government reform of the nation's health care system is necessary to control costs and expand coverage. OR, Government action on health care will do more harm than good." Options rotated

    Is
    Necessary Will Do More
    Harm Than
    Good Unsure
    % % %
    12/10-13/09 51 46 3
    Again interesting, about a 50-50 split considering the margin of error. Surprising to me though.

    And this:
    From what you've heard or read, do you think the health care reforms under consideration in Congress will mostly help you personally, will mostly hurt you personally, or don't you think they will have much of an effect on you personally?"

    Help Hurt Not Much
    Effect Unsure
    % % % %
    12/4-8/09 16 34 42 8
    This is pretty much the same percentage two recent polls show the ACA hurting twice as many as it helps.
    According to Rasmussen 14% helped, 33% hurt, 50% no impact
    33% Say They

    Per Gallup 10% helped, 23% hurt, 63% no impact
    Number of Americans Saying ACA Has Hurt Them Inches Up
    Yes, the option that both you and I support (despite our differences on other issues) had quite a bit of support. Many of these supporters did not and do not support ACA because they feel that ACA did not go far enough.

    That's why I believe that your frequent comments about how so many people do not support ACA are misleading.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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