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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Obviously YOU didn't read it. It's using the same data we've had but extrapolating falsely, just as the Obama admin has been doing. Take this for example:



    Actually it's not one third, it's 27% as they state later. That means only 27% of those "signed up" were previously uninsured. AND signing up doesn't mean ****. Read that last sentence again and try to assililate the information. What makes it meaningless is that not one of them is insured until they start paying. How many of that 27% are actually insured right now? The article and the Obama admin isn't telling.

    The entire article is just a remunging of numbers to make them appear to be greater than they were. Btw, have you forgotten this entire fanderall was to insure the 40+ million uninsured in this country without losing ground on the vast majority who were?
    No, the 27% figure applies only to those who got coverage through the exchange, which is not the only way people get coverage under ACA.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    I know this is anecdotal but...I eat at a locally owned resturant at least once a month had have when I lived here for probalby the last 35 years. The last 15 or more of those years a lady who barely speaks English (married an American, and is a citizen) has worked there as a waitress. Yesterday I was in there eating lunch, the place was dead due to monsoon rains, just me and a couple of other locals at the next table over. I was taking it easy reading my nook and having a coffee after eating. The waitress was telling the lady sitting at the next table she had singed up for obamacare and went to the doctor. I was trying not to listen, it was none of my buisness but it was impossible not to hear. The waitress said she had never had insurace ever and was always afraid to go to the doctor cause he knew she could not pay for anything, but since she would soon have insurance she went anyway a few weeks ago. Seems they found something, without going into too much detail she is having surgery in the near future and it may or may not be in time. I know it is just one person but how people can argue against ensure all of our citizens ahve adequate healthcare esp since we alreardy spend more than enough money to pay for it? I just dont get it.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes, that is what is being announced. It seems that the GOP hope for demise of the ACA has failed miserably. I am not surprised. There is a precedent for them to be on the losing side and it seems to be pickling up steam...like the ACA



    Carney: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million - CNN.com
    Let's see if I have this right, the Administration that claimed if you liked your insurance and your doctor you could keep them tells you that they signed up 7 million people by the deadline but don't tell you who those people are. Were they uninsured? Were the eligible for Medicaid before ACA? Did they sign up for Medicaid? Were they people who were kicked off their insurance because of ACA?

    Don't you think we ought to get those answers before taking a victory lap? Of course not, some people will simply believe everything Obama tells them because they want to believe it. That is liberalism, research nothing, verify nothing, and buy feel good rhetoric.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I know this is anecdotal but...I eat at a locally owned resturant at least once a month had have when I lived here for probalby the last 35 years. The last 15 or more of those years a lady who barely speaks English (married an American, and is a citizen) has worked there as a waitress. Yesterday I was in there eating lunch, the place was dead due to monsoon rains, just me and a couple of other locals at the next table over. I was taking it easy reading my nook and having a coffee after eating. The waitress was telling the lady sitting at the next table she had singed up for obamacare and went to the doctor. I was trying not to listen, it was none of my buisness but it was impossible not to hear. The waitress said she had never had insurace ever and was always afraid to go to the doctor cause he knew she could not pay for anything, but since she would soon have insurance she went anyway a few weeks ago. Seems they found something, without going into too much detail she is having surgery in the near future and it may or may not be in time. I know it is just one person but how people can argue against ensure all of our citizens ahve adequate healthcare esp since we alreardy spend more than enough money to pay for it? I just dont get it.
    I am glad for her and I am sure the ACA has help a lot more than just this waitress. But I think you are missing the point when you say the argument is against having all our citizens having adequate healthcare. I am totally against the ACA, but am all for healthcare for one and all. I was for leaving the 80% of Americans alone who said they were happy or at least satisfied with their healthcare and insurance. I was and am all for taking care of the other 20%, my solution back then was a VA style healthcare system to take care of the poor or those who couldn't afford it. That would have been a lot cheaper and a lot less intrusive to those who already had insurance and proper access to healthcare.

    For 80% of Americans, the healthcare system wasn't broken. They had what they had and they were use to it, budgeted for it and were generally happy, the 80% that is. I am not sure putting more and more people on medicaid is a good idea either. When only 60% of doctors nationwide accept medicaid insurance I am not sure adding more is not just giving them a piece of paper saying they have insurance, but no doctor to see. Doctors lose money on each medicaid patient they see. I think the ACA has so many flaws in it that in the long run it will probably hurt more than it helps, ask the 6 million or so who has had their insurance canceled already. Ask those who had to pay increased premiums for stuff they do not need.

    So I think the battle is or over how we go about getting everyone healthcare. Not whether one should have it or not. But this is my perspective. I believe the Democrats were wrong on trying to force this legislation on us when 58% were against it back in 2009 and 53% are still against it today. But the idea of having healthcare for one and all, is what we want, but I do not think the answer is the ACA. My opinion and some reasons why I am adamant oppose to it.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I know this is anecdotal but...I eat at a locally owned resturant at least once a month had have when I lived here for probalby the last 35 years. The last 15 or more of those years a lady who barely speaks English (married an American, and is a citizen) has worked there as a waitress. Yesterday I was in there eating lunch, the place was dead due to monsoon rains, just me and a couple of other locals at the next table over. I was taking it easy reading my nook and having a coffee after eating. The waitress was telling the lady sitting at the next table she had singed up for obamacare and went to the doctor. I was trying not to listen, it was none of my buisness but it was impossible not to hear. The waitress said she had never had insurace ever and was always afraid to go to the doctor cause he knew she could not pay for anything, but since she would soon have insurance she went anyway a few weeks ago. Seems they found something, without going into too much detail she is having surgery in the near future and it may or may not be in time. I know it is just one person but how people can argue against ensure all of our citizens ahve adequate healthcare esp since we alreardy spend more than enough money to pay for it? I just dont get it.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    I think we agree on this, at least in prinicpal. We shoudl have just cut directly to UHC.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I am glad for here and I am sure the ACA has help a lot more than just this waitress. But I think you are missing the point when you say the argument is against having all our citizens have adequate healthcare. I am totally against the ACA, but all for healthcare for one and all. I was for leaving the 80% of Americans alone who said they were happy or at least satisfied with their healthcare and insurance. I was and am all for taking care of the other 20%, my solution back then was a VA style healthcare system to take care of the poor or those who couldn't afford it.

    For 80% of Americans, the healthcare system wasn't broken. They had what they had and they were use to it, budgeted for it and were generally happy, the 80% that is. I am not sure putting more and more people on medicaid is a good idea either. When only 60% of doctors nationwide accept medicaid insurance I am not sure adding more is not just giving them a piece of paper saying they have insurance, but no doctor to see. I think the ACA has so many flaws in it that in the long run it will probably hurt more than it helps, ask the 6 million or so who has had their insurance canceled already. Ask those who had to pay increased premiums.

    So I think the battle is or over how we go about getting everyone healthcare. Not whether one should have it or not. But this is my perspective. I believe the Democrats were wrong on trying to force this legislation on us when 58% were against it back in 2009 and 53% are still against it today. But the idea of having healthcare for one and all, is what we want, but I do not think the answer is the ACA. My opinion and some reasons why I am adamant oppose to it.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    I was talking on the phone while I was typing, although that probably did not make a lot of difference...
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    I agree with this post, even if it did send me into a Nazi Grammar rage.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    For 80% of Americans, the healthcare system wasn't broken.
    This is untrue. While 80% were satisfied with their coverage, a majority believed that "There are some good things in our health care system, but fundamental changes are needed." and approx 30% believed "Our health care system has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it."

    There is a difference between someone being satisfied with their insurance and someone being satisfied with the health care system

    See CBS News Poll. Oct. 5-8, 2009.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I know this is anecdotal but...I eat at a locally owned resturant at least once a month had have when I lived here for probalby the last 35 years. The last 15 or more of those years a lady who barely speaks English (married an American, and is a citizen) has worked there as a waitress. Yesterday I was in there eating lunch, the place was dead due to monsoon rains, just me and a couple of other locals at the next table over. I was taking it easy reading my nook and having a coffee after eating. The waitress was telling the lady sitting at the next table she had singed up for obamacare and went to the doctor. I was trying not to listen, it was none of my buisness but it was impossible not to hear. The waitress said she had never had insurace ever and was always afraid to go to the doctor cause he knew she could not pay for anything, but since she would soon have insurance she went anyway a few weeks ago. Seems they found something, without going into too much detail she is having surgery in the near future and it may or may not be in time. I know it is just one person but how people can argue against ensure all of our citizens ahve adequate healthcare esp since we alreardy spend more than enough money to pay for it? I just dont get it.
    No one is against people having insurance this is just a lie from the left wing spin machine.

    what we disagree with is how they implement it.
    democrats want government to control every aspect of your life as they don't think you are smart enough to make a decision on your own.
    Me i want you to have the freedom to get whatever insurance policy you want to have regardless if it is here or there.

    we don't have a true market for insurance. If we did then if you live in NY you would be able to buy a policy in ND.

    I support a national HSA system similar to singapore, but it requires massive changes to our tax code which most democrats oppose.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think we agree on this, at least in prinicpal. We shoudl have just cut directly to UHC.
    you know if one can talk to each other instead of talking around them or over their heads, if one listens to each other one finds out they agree on quite a lot of things. I do not know anyone who says or at least will admit they do not want healthcare for one and all. Now how to get there is the debate. At least from my perspective. I think the ACA is a half way measure, it doesn't help or hurt all that much and really outside of making some people feel good, probably due to the medicaid expansion in which doctors are seeing less and less medicaid patients due to the very low reimbursement rates, this is really a costly waste of time.

    Why not double the medicare tax and put everyone on medicare, double or triple or however much it would take. Let those who want to opt out of medicare and pay for their own insurance plans do so. Is something like this the UHC plan you are talking about? If this isn't good enough, how about offering every American a chance to get into the Federal Employees Health Care plan. I am sure there are tons of options out there, why this one which has us all so polarized? It seems to me Democrats defend the ACA only because it is a Democrat plan and Republicans oppose it only because it is a Democrat plan. But if you look closely at independents, those who have no party affiliation they oppose it by a 2-1 margin. Some because they think it goes too far and some because they think it doesn't go far enough.

    Just look at these polls, it give you an idea where the American Public stood before passage of the ACA and where they stand today, by political party with independents included.

    September 2009
    Based on what you know about the health care reform legislation being considered right now, do you favor or oppose the plan?
    Democrats 60% favor 22% Oppose 18% Don’t Know/Unsure
    Republicans 7% favor 85% Oppose 8% Don’t Know/Unsure
    Independents 27% favor 57% Oppose 16% Don’t know/Unsure
    All voters 33% favor 53% Oppose 14% Don’t Know/Unsure

    March 2014
    Do you favor or oppose the new national health care law that was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Obama in 2010?
    Democrats 71% favor 24% Oppose 4% Don’t Know/Unsure
    Republicans 12% favor 86% Oppose 2% Don’t Know/Unsure
    Independents 34% favor 60% Oppose 6% Don’t Know/Unsure
    All Voters 40% favor 56% Oppose 4% Don’t Know/Unsure


    I suppose my bottom line is we can do better, we ought to be able to come up with something that can have bipartisan support to include independents much like was done with Social Security and Medicare.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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