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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You are making broad assumptions (that 1) there were 6.2 million cancellations and 2) all of those cancellations were remedied by signing up on the exchange). I think we need to see proof of your impression, otherwise, its just that, an impression, which is likely misguided (in other words, you are living in a lie)...

    Check your facts, then repost.
    Yeah, right proof. Ever try Google? Oh, but you will gobble up that dopey 7 million number without question, and that is what they are counting on. Stop kidding yourself, you know the net is nowhere near 7 million.
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The correct # is 17+million and that is more than 5% of the population
    I've looked through all these comments and posts, and you have yet to actually source your "17 million plus" figure. I found this...17 Million Americans Could Get Obamacare Subsidies: Report...but that hardly seems to say what you are saying.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    So, it seems to me that this debate cannot really go anywhere until exact figures are given out, backed up by plain data.

    So 7 million or so may have signed up for insurance, but if most of those people aren't paying for that insurance and are instead just relying on subsidies, well that isn't a great knockout for the ACA either.

    And the number, even with the addition of medicare enrollees, still comes sort of insuring most uninsured Americans, especially if we use the number that was touted so frequently by the Obama team.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The usual "Cult of Obama" garbage aside, right here shows the intellectually bankrupt rampart that the Obama Hater Brigade has constructed for itself.

    If the numbers are bad, it's proof positive that Obama is teh suck and everything liberals say or do is bad.

    If the numbers are good, well, they're just phony anyway, and that's just proof positive that Obama is teh suck and everything liberals say or do is bad.

    We saw it with the economic numbers, unemployment statistics and now Obamacare sign-ups. They've built an ideological firewall that doesn't let through anything but self-affirmation.
    LOL. So why won't Obama break down the numbers for us. He has a site that he controls completely, yet he won't give us any information.

    Meanwhile, Democrats are running for the hills from this thing.

    If it was good news, it would be EVERYWHERE. Instead, it's a blurb. The media doesn't want to dig. They don't want the truth.

    I'd bet good money that less than 1 million of those signups are among the 48 million that it was targeted for.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The article explained the source of the numbers..... I have something; you got nutin'....
    Yeah, you have doctored, protected numbers spun to Obama's need. And I have two eyes and a brain that is watching the Democrat Party trying to distance itself as far as possible from this abortion.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yeah, right proof. Ever try Google? Oh, but you will gobble up that dopey 7 million number without question, and that is what they are counting on. Stop kidding yourself, you know the net is nowhere near 7 million.
    I know Google, as evidenced by the fact I back up my assertions (feel free to flip through my posts, you will see links in 75% of what I post). You, OTH, apparently do not know how to use it as you are unable to back up your assertions.

    You make an assertion and that assertion is challenged and you can not answer the challenge then the presumption is the assertion is false, as is your assertion. You want debate with adults, bring some game.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 04-04-14 at 01:43 PM.

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Obviously you did not read the LA Times article and you chose to respond with your impressions. The LA Times article says at least 9.5 million that were previously uninsured are now insured. This was extrapolated based upon a McKinnsey study (and using the 6 million exchange sign-up, which we now know is 16% larger)... again, you make a claim and offer no support for your claim... its an impression. I make a claim and back it up..... Advantage guy with the proof.

    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com

    I know you are one that wants Obamacare to fail; wants your country to fail... but wishful thinking does not make for good argument.
    Obviously YOU didn't read it. It's using the same data we've had but extrapolating falsely, just as the Obama admin has been doing. Take this for example:

    At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

    Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
    Actually it's not one third, it's 27% as they state later. That means only 27% of those "signed up" were previously uninsured. AND signing up doesn't mean ****. Read that last sentence again and try to assililate the information. What makes it meaningless is that not one of them is insured until they start paying. How many of that 27% are actually insured right now? The article and the Obama admin isn't telling.

    The entire article is just a remunging of numbers to make them appear to be greater than they were. Btw, have you forgotten this entire fanderall was to insure the 40+ million uninsured in this country without losing ground on the vast majority who were?

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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I know Google, as evidenced by the fact I back up my assertions (feel free to flip through my posts, you will see links in 75% of what I post). You, OTH, apparently do not know how to use it as you are unable to back up your assertions.

    You make an assertion and that assertion is challenged and you can not answer the challenge then the presumption is the assertion is false, as is your assertion. You want debate with adults, bring some game.
    That's just an old, tired, lazy leftist tactic. Focus the argument on "links" because you are afraid to actually address the point being made.

    I don't like using links, I prefer to post my opinion because it is a debate board. I'd rather post my own thoughts than link to someone else’s work. Some people here, mostly on the left, use them as a crutch. "See here, look at all my links! I must be right!" I laugh at that garbage.

    You can't disprove the point, so you declare it is untrue because there is no link present for something you could have looked up much more quickly that it took you to complain about a link! Pathetic!
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    Actually :
    The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated in March 2012 that the ACA would newly insure 30-33 million people,[by 2016] leaving 26-27 million uninsured in 2016.

    In June 2012, however, the Supreme Court ruled that states may opt-out of Medicaid expansion. Since then, the governors of 14 states have announced their intention to opt-out, 6 are undecided, 3 are leaning against, and 2 toward the expansion. Opt-outs will likely leave several million more uninsured, but little is known about who is likely to remain uninsured under the ACA.

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    Millions will be helped by the insurance provisions in the law; however, nearly five million poor adults in states not expanding Medicaid coverage will be ineligible for assistance, while 17 million others who earn more than they do will be eligible for tax credits to help them pay for coverage in the new insurance Marketplaces.8 With attention focused on those gaining coverage under the law, it is important to bear in mind who is left out of coverage expansions and consider how their ongoing health needs may be met.
    Read more:
    The Coverage Gap: Uninsured Poor Adults in States that Do Not Expand Medicaid | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
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    Re: Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

    The CBO stuff sounds about right. But for the moment the ACA is hurting a bit more than twice as many as it is helping. At least according to these two polls.

    According to Rasmussen 14% helped, 33% hurt, 50% no impact
    33% Say They

    Per Gallup 10% helped, 23% hurt, 63% no impact
    Number of Americans Saying ACA Has Hurt Them Inches Up
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