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Obamacare enrollment hits 7 million

Interesting that this Administration has no problem posting numbers like this and touting them but never explaining them. The old shell game that you want to continue to buy?

That chart didn't come from the administration
 
This guy likes ACA. In fact, he invented it.

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That guy was the Governor of a State and that is where UHC belongs if the people want it, not a national program run by Federal Bureaucrats
 
Well, if it IS a separate number then that is also bad, quite frankly. If 3.5 million people are new to the private insurance rolls out of 5.6 paying customers that means only 2.1 million of the 4.7+ million who lost their insurance were able to acquire insurance for 2014... which means that 2.6 million people lost their insurance for 2014 because of the law.

So instead of a 500,000 net gain in my initial reading it would be a 900,000 net gain but 2.6 million adversely affected by the bill versus zero in my initial assumption.

I think that is worse than my first assumption! :shock:

Again, you're making assumptions. I suspect you negatively effect numbers are skewed. People losing insurance happened in those numbers prior to ACA. Linking them to ACA has been a dubious proposition at best.
 
Just goes to show how poorly you are informed. Most of the funding for schools comes from the state and local communities, not the Federal Govt. That is where healthcare belongs, in the states. Most of the funding for state infrastructure programs come from the state and local communities. You simply don't understand what your taxes fund and how much you will get from those Federal entitlement dollars you spend.

Retiring with Dignity? LOL, wait until you see how much money you get when you retire with most receiving benefits that put them well below the poverty level.

Improving healthcare? Do you get to keep your doctor and healthcare plan if you want to? I lost my doctor when I became eligible for Medicare which I was forced to contribute to my entire working career.

Boo, you just continue to show how easily you are swayed by feel good rhetoric and rather than do your own research you buy what you are told. There is nothing that the govt. does prudently and efficiently and even with a 17.3 trillion dollar debt you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric.

You're just making excuses. These things are all better due to us acting through government. Instead of just ranting, compare how the elderly lived before to now, for example. Give it a shot.
 

Because I am still waiting for you to show me a govt. program that costs what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solved a problem and didn't simply add trillions to the debt? You want badly to believe in a one size fits all program in a country with 50 independent and sovereign states and an economy based upon free enterprise and capitalism. You want badly to believe that a bureaucrat in D.C. can solve a local social problem in your local community and yet there is no evidence of that.

We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt that costs us 250 billion a year in debt service, 40% of which goes to foreign countries and we have trillions in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare, so what do you want to do, add another entitlement program?

If MA can do it why do we need a Federal Mandate for the other 49 states? Let the people of the states decide if that is what they want?
 
Government is government. state governments are only smaller versions of the national government.

State governments are closer to the people and more responsive to the local problems, that is what our Founders envisioned and what liberals like you seem to hate. Seems you cannot sell your program to the states and want to pawn your debt off on to the Federal Taxpayers
 
You're just making excuses. These things are all better due to us acting through government. Instead of just ranting, compare how the elderly lived before to now, for example. Give it a shot.

Acting through a state and local govt is much more preferable than the Federal bureaucracy and if you cannot see that then you really are out of touch with reality and very naive and gullible.
 
OK, let me see if I can figure this out ...

1) You pass a law making insurance mandatory.
2) You manipulate the market so that it forces people to sign up for ACA.
3) You make it a criminal offense to not sign up.
4) You threaten people with fines if they don't sign up.
5) You're delighted that you met an arbitrary milestone.
6) 6 million people lose insurance
7) 7 million people sign up.
8) 3 million additional people sign up for Medicaid (free government healthcare, where most of the cost is borne by the states)
9) That means only 4 million additional paying insurance customers (of which most of them already had insurance)
10) You call this a win !!!

Oh wait ...

11) 68% of those who purchased insurance report that their premium has increased, on average, 18%.
12) The average deductible increased 114%.
13) Out of 26 states reporting, residents in 25 states incur increased medical health insurance costs (as much as 43%).

And, you call this a win???

I call it a freakin' disaster.
 
Just goes to show how poorly you are informed. Most of the funding for schools comes from the state and local communities, not the Federal Govt. That is where healthcare belongs, in the states. Most of the funding for state infrastructure programs come from the state and local communities. You simply don't understand what your taxes fund and how much you will get from those Federal entitlement dollars you spend.

Retiring with Dignity? LOL, wait until you see how much money you get when you retire with most receiving benefits that put them well below the poverty level.

Improving healthcare? Do you get to keep your doctor and healthcare plan if you want to? I lost my doctor when I became eligible for Medicare which I was forced to contribute to my entire working career.

Boo, you just continue to show how easily you are swayed by feel good rhetoric and rather than do your own research you buy what you are told. There is nothing that the govt. does prudently and efficiently and even with a 17.3 trillion dollar debt you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric.

Btw, something for you to digest from the conservative magazine Forbes:

But while we might all grant that there are exceptions, the general question still stands: does it make sense to run government like a business? The short answer is no. Bear in mind, first, that “efficiency” in the private sector means profit. Hence, to ask that the government be run like a business is tantamount to asking that the government turn a profit. The problem in a nutshell, is that not everything that is profitable is of social value and not everything of social value is profitable. Reality TV, pornography, fashion, sports, and gambling are all of questionable social value, but each is quite profitable and exists in the private sector. Meanwhile, few would argue that the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, police department, fire department, libraries, parks, and public schools are of no social value, and yet they could not exist if they were required to be profitable.

Why Government Should Not Be Run Like A Business - Forbes
 
Because I am still waiting for you to show me a govt. program that costs what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solved a problem and didn't simply add trillions to the debt?
You want badly to believe in a one size fits all program in a country with 50 independent and sovereign states and an economy based upon free enterprise and capitalism. You want badly to believe that a bureaucrat in D.C. can solve a local social problem in your local community and yet there is no evidence of that.

We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt that costs us 250 billion a year in debt service, 40% of which goes to foreign countries and we have trillions in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare, so what do you want to do, add another entitlement program?[/quote]

I should have known you'd punk out and refuse to answer my question


If MA can do it why do we need a Federal Mandate for the other 49 states?

Because the other 49 did nothing

Let the people of the states decide if that is what they want?

They did. That's how we got ACA
 
Acting through a state and local govt is much more preferable than the Federal bureaucracy and if you cannot see that then you really are out of touch with reality and very naive and gullible.

No through both. Your state might do a lot less without federal dollars. But try doing as I asked. The challenge is still there for you to either take up, or fold.
 
To me the more salient question is why does it matter if 7 million signed up if the law is causing fewer people to be insured and is increasing the cost of health care, health insurance and government spending? It looks to me like we are all net losers because of the law.
 
Btw, something for you to digest from the conservative magazine Forbes:

But while we might all grant that there are exceptions, the general question still stands: does it make sense to run government like a business? The short answer is no. Bear in mind, first, that “efficiency” in the private sector means profit. Hence, to ask that the government be run like a business is tantamount to asking that the government turn a profit. The problem in a nutshell, is that not everything that is profitable is of social value and not everything of social value is profitable. Reality TV, pornography, fashion, sports, and gambling are all of questionable social value, but each is quite profitable and exists in the private sector. Meanwhile, few would argue that the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, police department, fire department, libraries, parks, and public schools are of no social value, and yet they could not exist if they were required to be profitable.

Why Government Should Not Be Run Like A Business - Forbes

Nobody says you run a govt. like a business but you certainly don't ignore business successes as well as results. A federal program will generate federal results and history proves it, high debt, high inefficiency, no incentive to lower costs, an entitlement mentality and growth in size. Sounds like a liberal dream world doesn't it. Too bad there isn't a successful socialist country in the world and by success I mean a population with incentive to produce more and create individual wealth
 
No through both. Your state might do a lot less without federal dollars. But try doing as I asked. The challenge is still there for you to either take up, or fold.

My state is getting some of the federal dollars it sends to D.C. back, my bet is you would prefer my taxdollars to go to your state. I see no challenge, must have missed it
 
Nobody says you run a govt. like a business but you certainly don't ignore business successes as well as results. A federal program will generate federal results and history proves it, high debt, high inefficiency, no incentive to lower costs, an entitlement mentality and growth in size. Sounds like a liberal dream world doesn't it. Too bad there isn't a successful socialist country in the world and by success I mean a population with incentive to produce more and create individual wealth

wasn't Romeny's selling point that he was a business man? And yes, you have called for running the country like a business.

And business in the private sector also has failures, and problems. You ignore them as if they were not their. Any human endeavor is likely to struggle and be faced with problems. There is no magic. The Market is chaotic and often just as problematic as government.

But the point is, you've been challenged. Step up or fold.
 
My state is getting some of the federal dollars it sends to D.C. back, my bet is you would prefer my taxdollars to go to your state. I see no challenge, must have missed it

Doesn't address the point. You have a challenge. Step up or fold.
 
You want badly to believe in a one size fits all program in a country with 50 independent and sovereign states and an economy based upon free enterprise and capitalism. You want badly to believe that a bureaucrat in D.C. can solve a local social problem in your local community and yet there is no evidence of that.

We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt that costs us 250 billion a year in debt service, 40% of which goes to foreign countries and we have trillions in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare, so what do you want to do, add another entitlement program?

I should have known you'd punk out and refuse to answer my question




Because the other 49 did nothing



They did. That's how we got ACA

Because healthcare is a local issue and each and every state has its own cost structure as well as insurance issues. If the other 49 did nothing how does that affect you? It is up to the people to make the changes in their state and not have a Federal Govt. force an individual responsibility on them.
 
wasn't Romeny's selling point that he was a business man? And yes, you have called for running the country like a business.

And business in the private sector also has failures, and problems. You ignore them as if they were not their. Any human endeavor is likely to struggle and be faced with problems. There is no magic. The Market is chaotic and often just as problematic as government.

But the point is, you've been challenged. Step up or fold.

Yes, business people are responsible for being prudent with company money, Romney would have been prudent with taxpayer money. He turned a deficit into a balanced budget in MA so he had success doing what the Federal Govt. needs now. Right now politicians are spending money to keep their jobs and buy votes, that isn't prudent use of taxpayer money and why we have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt
 
High quality evidence based medical care.
Really, you believe there is evidence of UHC success? where and what is your definition of success, long wait times, inefficient administrative support, high debt?
 
High quality evidence based medical care.

Where? This is your opinion and you ignore the evidence of waste, fraud, and abuse in every federally run program and ignore the 17.3 trillion dollar debt showing poor use of taxpayer money. Name for me any country in the world that has better healthcare than this country?
 
Our old system was profit based. We got ****ty healthcare care at twice the cost. What are you talking about?
Where? This is your opinion and you ignore the evidence of waste, fraud, and abuse in every federally run program and ignore the 17.3 trillion dollar debt showing poor use of taxpayer money. Name for me any country in the world that has better healthcare than this country?
 
Yes, business people are responsible for being prudent with company money, Romney would have been prudent with taxpayer money. He turned a deficit into a balanced budget in MA so he had success doing what the Federal Govt. needs now. Right now politicians are spending money to keep their jobs and buy votes, that isn't prudent use of taxpayer money and why we have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt

Are you sure about that? Have you seen GM's history?

As Scandal Unfolds, G.M. Calls In the Lawyers

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/business/general-motors-calls-the-lawyers.html?_r=0

Or how about this:

Léo Apotheker's disastrous tenure as HP's CEO revealed a dysfunctional company struggling for direction after a decade of missteps and scandals. Can his replacement, Meg Whitman, fix the tech giant?

How Hewlett-Packard lost its way - Fortune Tech

Do a search and you'll find a lot more. Don't ignore that business struggles due to their own incompetence as well as government.
 
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