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    Putin Calls Obama to Discuss Ukraine, White House Says

    WASHINGTON President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia reached out to President Obama on Friday to discuss ideas about how to peacefully resolve the international standoff over Ukraine, a surprise move by Moscow to pull back from the brink of an escalated confrontation that has put Europe and much of the world on edge.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/wo...aine.html?_r=0

    A whole hell of a lot better than amassing troops.


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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Mornin' T .....that what I heard to. Also Lavrov pledged on Television that Russia would not move troops into the Ukraine. He also told people that Russia and the West were moving to closer positions upon the matter.

    Putin is calling for the Federalization of the Ukraine.....and also throwing out the condition that Ukraine not join NATO. Which the EU and ourselves won't go for that.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' T .....that what I heard to. Also Lavrov pledged on Television that Russia would not move troops into the Ukraine. He also told people that Russia and the West were moving to closer positions upon the matter.

    Putin is calling for the Federalization of the Ukraine.....and also throwing out the condition that Ukraine not join NATO. Which the EU and ourselves won't go for that.
    I could not read that article because it requires an account with NY Times. First of all, I think this confirms that Putin has no desire to seize further territory by force, and therefore the characterization of Putin as Hitler was a foolish comment by Hillary Clinton and others meant simply for domestic, political consumption. If HC actually plans to be president, this demonstrates, IMO, that she should not have the job. She will have to work with this person, and that's no good way to start.

    Furthermore, we would likely not be at this point if we had not reneged on our promise to Gorbachev not to expand NATO. Instead, contrary to the vision that Gorbachev had in mind, the first thing we did was went around trumpeting to the world that we won the cold war. Therefore, when seen in that light, Putin had good reason to make the move that he did in Crimea to secure Russia's very vital interests there.

    If Putin did indeed offer to pull back his troops in exchange for a no NATO pledge, we should take him up on that offer ASAP.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/wo...aine.html?_r=0

    A whole hell of a lot better than amassing troops.
    You betcha ya' it is. Now we'll see what we're made of. We have an opportunity to negotiate a satisfactory settlement. We won't get everything we want, and neither will Russia; but we can't afford bright red lines on this.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I could not read that article because it requires an account with NY Times. First of all, I think this confirms that Putin has no desire to seize further territory by force, and therefore the characterization of Putin as Hitler was a foolish comment by Hillary Clinton and others meant simply for domestic, political consumption. If HC actually plans to be president, this demonstrates, IMO, that she should not have the job. She will have to work with this person, and that's no good way to start.

    Furthermore, we would likely not be at this point if we had not reneged on our promise to Gorbachev not to expand NATO. Instead, contrary to the vision that Gorbachev had in mind, the first thing we did was went around trumpeting to the world that we won the cold war. Therefore, when seen in that light, Putin had good reason to make the move that he did in Crimea to secure Russia's very vital interests there.

    If Putin did indeed offer to pull back his troops in exchange for a no NATO pledge, we should take him up on that offer ASAP.


    Mornin' MSteel. Here I have some on it with what Lavrov was saying. Points out some other interesting points as well. I don't think the Eu nor the US will go for it now. They already signed some papers with the EU and are getting the Aid from the US and the IMF. Moreover earlier in the month when Ban Ki Moon went to Moscow.....back then Putin told him he would not move troops into the Ukraine.


    Russia vows no Ukraine invasion as leaders seek solution.....



    Russia on Saturday pledged it would not invade mainland Ukraine following its seizure of Crimea and said it favoured the ex-Soviet state becoming a federation as a way of defusing the crisis.

    But telephone talks between Putin and US counterpart Barack Obama late on Friday were the latest sign of a slight lessening in tensions between Moscow and the West and a search for a mutual solution in what remains the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War.

    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov hinted at what were Moscow's main demands in the negotiations -- that Ukraine should be made into a federation and commit to not joining NATO, while order should be restored to the Ukrainian capital Kiev where protesters have thronged the city centre for half a year.

    He said that the West was showing openness to Russia's idea of a federalised Ukraine.

    "They are listening. I can say that a federation (for Ukraine) is far from being a forbidden word in our talks," Lavrov said. "To be honest, we do not see any other path forwards for the Ukrainian state other than federalisation."

    "The Russian leader suggested examining possible steps of the international community to help stabilise the situation," the Kremlin said, adding the issue would be discussed by Lavrov and US counterpart John Kerry.....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-rus...tsrc=telkomsel

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' MSteel. Here I have some on it with what Lavrov was saying. Points out some other interesting points as well. I don't think the Eu nor the US will go for it now. They already signed some papers with the EU and are getting the Aid from the US and the IMF. Moreover earlier in the month when Ban Ki Moon went to Moscow.....back then Putin told him he would not move troops into the Ukraine.


    Russia vows no Ukraine invasion as leaders seek solution.....



    Russia on Saturday pledged it would not invade mainland Ukraine following its seizure of Crimea and said it favoured the ex-Soviet state becoming a federation as a way of defusing the crisis.

    But telephone talks between Putin and US counterpart Barack Obama late on Friday were the latest sign of a slight lessening in tensions between Moscow and the West and a search for a mutual solution in what remains the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War.

    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov hinted at what were Moscow's main demands in the negotiations -- that Ukraine should be made into a federation and commit to not joining NATO, while order should be restored to the Ukrainian capital Kiev where protesters have thronged the city centre for half a year.

    He said that the West was showing openness to Russia's idea of a federalised Ukraine.

    "They are listening. I can say that a federation (for Ukraine) is far from being a forbidden word in our talks," Lavrov said. "To be honest, we do not see any other path forwards for the Ukrainian state other than federalisation."

    "The Russian leader suggested examining possible steps of the international community to help stabilise the situation," the Kremlin said, adding the issue would be discussed by Lavrov and US counterpart John Kerry.....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-rus...tsrc=telkomsel
    Hi MMC. Thanks for that. Well I'm relieved that it appears both sides are behaving in a mature cool-headed manner. I hope they continue in that spirit.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Hi MMC. Thanks for that. Well I'm relieved that it appears both sides are behaving in a mature cool-headed manner. I hope they continue in that spirit.
    It might work out and the Ukraine gets the aid......Obama did tell the Georgians they wont be getting into NATO anytime soon. Although I think Poland will stay on alert.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Clearly, Putin is in his element, and making all the right moves.

    Poor B'rack is getting embarrassed at every turn.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/wo...aine.html?_r=0

    A whole hell of a lot better than amassing troops.
    How do you know?

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    How do you know?
    How do I know what? That dialog is better that troop movement...experience.


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