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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh yeah! The One can't perform to his full potetial because he inerited a mess. And WE crack YOU up?
    Anyone who discounts the fact that then President-elect Obama faced a multitude of problems on his first day in office are just being partisan and disingenuous. I'm not giving the man a pass. I'm just saying his plate was full from day one unlike any other president in modern history since the days of the Great Depression or WWII. Fact is the man had a deep recession and two wars to deal with the moment he stepped into the White House. The only two other Presidents I recall who took over a war from their predecessor since WWII were Truman and Nixon. So, yeah, I tend to cut Pres. Obama some slack on the military front. No, he hasn't done a masterful job, but you try changing tactics and/or strategies in a war you inherited and see how successful your new course of action proves to be. It's easy to talk crap when you're not the one with all the responsibility.

    I have to ask...AGAIN...why do you believe that the only two options are to take a military response completely off the table and total war? Are you capable of discussing any option in between?
    Uhhh, sure...they're called "economic sanctions" or "surgical strikes"...you know, like the one that lead to the death of UBL.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Anyone who discounts the fact that then President-elect Obama faced a multitude of problems on his first day in office are just being partisan and disingenuous. I'm not giving the man a pass. I'm just saying his plate was full from day one unlike any other president in modern history since the days of the Great Depression or WWII. Fact is the man had a deep recession and two wars to deal with the moment he stepped into the White House. The only two other Presidents I recall who took over a war from their predecessor since WWII were Truman and Nixon. So, yeah, I tend to cut Pres. Obama some slack on the military front. No, he hasn't done a masterful job, but you try changing tactics and/or strategies in a war you inherited and see how successful your new course of action proves to be. It's easy to talk crap when you're not the one with all the responsibility.
    Anyone who blames Bush for Obama's failure as a president is being partisan and disengenuous.



    Uhhh, sure...they're called "economic sanctions" or "surgical strikes"...you know, like the one that lead to the death of UBL.
    What's he waiting on to start the sanctions?

    Surgical strike against what?
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    [QUOTE=apdst;1063107025]Anyone who blames Bush for Obama's failure as a president is being partisan and disengenuous.

    Obama wasn't thrust into the job of POTUS against his will - he campaigned to get the job. It looks like he was ill prepared for the responsibility, never having held a business-type job previously to compare it to. Nevertheless, it's time to cease blaming Bush for his problems. After all, Bush has been gone for five years, so it's odd that he would feel the need to continue to use him as an excuse after all this time. Every POTUS has inherited problems from his predecessor, and to assume that he would be any different is definitely being partisan and disingenuous, as you pointed out! It has always seemed strange to me that such an important job is a "learn-as-you-go experience, though!

    Greetings, apdst.

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